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Old 04-11-2008, 06:13 PM
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Parking spaces on Vine St. are not really of any particular concern to me (I am car-less, and am perfectly happy to use public transit to get to my job in the deep suburbs), but I agree that huge trucks should not be driving the streets of Old City, especially at night.
That was my main point. I'm glad some people got it.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:49 PM
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My wife and I both have to drive to work. I don't really like it and there's no way around it. I'd be glad to get rid of my car if I could - it's expensive to maintain and just one more thing I have to concern myself with. I even agree there are some people who have cars who don't really need them.

The point is, if they remove 29 parking spots, it will just make a bad parking situation worse. There doesn't even appear to be any legitimate reason for it to happen, so why be for it?

Even if there are 30 jerks who feel they need to drive 4 blocks to work (I apologize if there is someone who has a legitimate reason for this - I'm not talking about you), it probably won't make a single one of them "see the light". They'll just park somewhere else and it'll make it harder for the majority of us who really need those spots.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:13 PM
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glad this was stated. most people who own cars in the city need their cars to get OUT of the city to go to work, etc. the city's great, but there's also a whole big world beyond it and some people actually like to go out into it.

if i was a homeowner on the 300-400 block of vine, i would be PISSED if i could no longer park in front of my home. i think only one home on those 2 blocks has a garage. of course it would decrease the value of people's houses if there's no immediate street parking. potential buyers are less likely to buy a place that not only does not have it's own parking, but you can't even park in front of your own house.


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Hey dude, I know you weren't referring to me, but I live in the neighborhood and work in sales and drive every single day to make my living. I need those parking spots. I have also stopped at home during the day from time to time and have a lot of easy parking spaces because most people that park there at night live there and work outside the city. I'm happy that were so blessed for a job in the city, but the LARGE majoirty of jobs in the region are outside of the city in the suburbs of PA/NJ. There are also quite a bit of businesses here in the neighborhood that need those spots from people coming to visit and spend their money in the nieghborhood. So you can keep riding your bike to work, but the rest of us don't have that option to go to Bucks or Montgomery County on a bike.

Perhaps you have a friend that drives to Market East; that person is a dope. In our little neighborhood, I can safely assume that the large majoirty of people work outside of the city or the city-accessible by train or trolley.

Who are the people that you hang out with that do this driving just for a couple of blocks? Where do they park when they get there? Again, I'm happy that you don't drive, thats great, but I just got home and will leave my car there for the weekend. If someone gets a good spot, they generally will leave it there for a few days. If they are driving in and going to the shops on 3rd or a restaurant, we need those spots.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:31 PM
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Apparently the 3 spots on 5th street right off of Vine would be removed too because the trucks are having problems turning on to 5 th from Vine without hitting the tunnel railing.


PS mpennsky went to city hall to raise hell and I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about it.
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Parking spaces on Vine St. are not really of any particular concern to me (I am car-less, and am perfectly happy to use public transit to get to my job in the deep suburbs), but I agree that huge trucks should not be driving the streets of Old City, especially at night.

I can see why they would want to use those two sections of Vine. One being if I truck went down 4th st pass Callowhill the next street it could turn to get back north would be Market st...

And lets look at the area effected:



From 3rd to 4th:



And from 4th to 5th:



Now, Google Maps isn't accurate about cars parking, but it is about parking lots and no parking zones and looking at that street, it has alot of both...Hell I see one car parked in a no parking zone(Hint it's on the north side between 4th and 5th)
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:42 PM
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Tractor trailers are only on the street for two reasons. one they are lost or afraid to go under the bridge and two to deliver to the William Macmillan Co. The parking lot on the bottom is my lot and is fully rented. The lot above mine is private for the shoe wholesaler, there is no parking in that lot after 6:30pm.

The bottom shows the place in question (Vine and Lawrence) a tractor trailer has to back down Lawrence street and wedge itself between the building and the side walk across the street.

PS the car in the no parking zone is the owners of the house and garage it's in front of.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:57 PM
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Yellow is all the spots they want to remove

Red rectangle is where the trucks are going
Red marker is where I live

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Old 04-18-2008, 10:05 PM
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I think I might have gotten thru to them about this. Parked cars aren't the problem or in the way, street lights, street signs, fire hydrants and sidewalks are. I wonder if they will remove them ?. But they still don't see the problem of trying to fit an 80' tractor trailer in a 54' space at night.
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Old 04-19-2008, 06:11 AM
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Everyone forgot about this map:

I certainly empathize with your situation, but many are complaining about trucks when they moved next to blocks of G-2 zoned industrial parcels. There is nothing "illegal" about receiving or distributing shipments at any hour by these properly zoned businesses.

The fact that the business is "a place that has 6 employees ( 4 don't even live in this state)" is about as disingenuous as the adverse argument of "use the bus". Both inane arguments are specific to the whims of the debater rather than reality 101. 6 employees supply chicken to 10's of thousands of customers. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to figure out a way for us to give up our car without forcing my wife to take a 1 hour bus and train commute, then walk three miles down a major highway instead of driving for 20minutes each way, I'd love to hear it from the treehuggers union.

Both sides have gotten a little wacky in their arguments. They should just put up no parking signs near the corners where trucks tend to scrape and hit cars upon in-turns. There is no reason to get rid of all parking. If residents are so inflamed, they should go to their councilman and ask for signs to prohibit trucks from going down the street. Since its so close to G-2 land I guarantee that it won't happen, but it would be a good bargaining chip to come towards a compromise.
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