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Old 12-14-2003, 09:34 PM
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There is a booklet called "10 Things Your Friends May Not Know About Drugs". Here is the drug test in the beginning of it:

TRUE OR FALSE?

1. THERE ARE GOOD DRUGS AND BAD DRUGS.
2. SOME DRUGS DON;T HURT YOUR MIND.
3. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO TAKE DRUGS.
4. MOST DRUGS AREN'T HABIT-FORMING.
5. ALCOHOL ISN'T A DRUG
6. MARIJUANA ISN'T HARMFUL.
7. ECSTASY IS SAFER THAN OTHER DRUGS.
8. DRUGS INCREASE CREATIVITY.
9. DRUGS IMPROVE SEXUAL PERFORMANCE.
10. DRUGS STAY IN THE BODY FOR ONE DAY.

What do you think?

This should be interesting...
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Old 12-14-2003, 11:21 PM
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This comes from a Narconon pamphlet. We need better education about drugs but this pamphlet makes claims that are not true. For example, it suggests that ten cups of coffee is a sedative. The problem with claims like these is that one might wonder if the science behind the entire program is valid.

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Old 12-15-2003, 10:33 AM
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1. THERE ARE GOOD DRUGS AND BAD DRUGS. True -there are medical drugs that, when used properly, are not bad
2. SOME DRUGS DON;T HURT YOUR MIND. True-I doubt aspirin kills brain cells or maybe it does?
3. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO TAKE DRUGS. False
4. MOST DRUGS AREN'T HABIT-FORMING.
5. ALCOHOL ISN'T A DRUG False
6. MARIJUANA ISN'T HARMFUL.false
7. ECSTASY IS SAFER THAN OTHER DRUGS. false
8. DRUGS INCREASE CREATIVITY. hmm, that's a tough one
9. DRUGS IMPROVE SEXUAL PERFORMANCE. viagra is supposed to
10. DRUGS STAY IN THE BODY FOR ONE DAY. depends on whether it is water soluble or fat soluble

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Old 12-16-2003, 02:21 PM
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This comes from a Narconon pamphlet. We need better education about drugs but this pamphlet makes claims that are not true. For example, it suggests that ten cups of coffee is a sedative. The problem with claims like these is that one might wonder if the science behind the entire program is valid.
You are correct, it is a Narconon booklet.

Get used to seeing it, because in short order it will be distributed throughout the Philadelphia School System.

But you are incorrect about the data on coffee being false. It is quite true, actually, that 10 cups of coffee in a short period of time would have that effect on a person (sedative). Though drinking 10 cups of coffee quickly would be quite a task volume-wise for the stomache. It would probably more easily be demonstrated by taking a commensurate amount of caffeine to 10 cups of coffee and then observing the effect on the individual. 10 cups is an estimate. But he point is that enough caffeine taken at once would be a sedative. And that is an easily demonstrable scientific fact.

By the way, for everyone else's edification, here is exactly what it says on that page of the booklet where it mentions the coffee:

1. All drugs are poisons.

All drugs are basically poisons. The amount which you take is what decides how it affects you. A small amount is a stimulant (speeds you up). A larger amount is a sedative (puts you to sleep). An even larger amount acts as a poison and can kill you.

This is true of ANY drug. Each has a different amount. Caffeine is a drug. So coffee is an example. Two or three cups stimulate. Ten cups would probably put a person to sleep. 100 cups of coffee would probably kill him.


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Oh, and Cannabis, am I mistaken, or did you just a few days ago have in your profile the web site for the legalization of Marijuana? I'm pretty sure it was your profile, but I don't see it there now. If so, what is up with that?
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:12 PM
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I believe that Narconon can be dangerous to a patient's physical and mental well-being, and that Narconon is used to recruit new members into the Church of Scientology.
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:37 PM
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Cannabis,

Geez, that whole "trying to recruit people" accusation is quite worn and old.

Most people who do Narconon are not Scientologists. However, many see the tremendous value that the program has and want to know more about Scientology as a natural consequence of being interested in the source of the program that just saved their life. Pretty simple logic.

Anyway, if the program was so "dangerous" then it wouldn't make a great "recruitment tool" as you seem to think it is. Either way it works out. If it is dangerous, who would want to be part of it? And if it is a good program, then why would it be wrong for someone to be a part of it?

I notice you carefully avoided my question, though. So I'll repeat it:

Oh, and Cannabis, am I mistaken, or did you just a few days ago have in your profile the web site for the legalization of Marijuana? I'm pretty sure it was your profile, but I don't see it there now. If so, what is up with that?
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Old 12-17-2003, 07:53 AM
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Narconon is supported financially by Scientology. Narconon's rehabilitation program is based on Scientology methods, using withdrawal, diet supplements, exercise and sauna sessions to treat addicts.

The accusation is tired and worn because you must hear it often.

Anybody who doubts the link to Scientology can listen to this:

Narconon is Scientology

Or read this:

Narconon Exposed
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Old 12-17-2003, 10:00 AM
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Narconon is supported financially by Scientology. Narconon's rehabilitation program is based on Scientology methods, using withdrawal, diet supplements, exercise and sauna sessions to treat addicts.
Cannabis,

Your point on the financials of Narconon strikes me as rather pointless.

Narconon is financially independent from the Church. They make the money to pay their bills by direct payments, or through the insurance carriers of the patients – like most rehab programs.

A religious fellowship of the Church known as the IAS (International Association of Scientologists) has donated the money to build the main Narconon facility – in Oklahoma, known as Arrowhead. Arrowhead is not only the largest drug rehab facility of any kind IN THE WORLD, but it also serves as the international training ground for people who wish to open their own Narconon Facilities elsewhere.

Your description of how the Narconon program works (withdrawal, exercise, sauna, etc) is the first accurate information you’ve given about Narconon so far. Did you think those things are bad? I can’t see how anyone would. They’re things that most people who care about their health engage in.

Also, as far as the program’s validity and effectiveness, you would be interested to know that a similar program to Narconon (with only the sauna, exercise and vitamins part) is being done in New York and all of the rescue workers who worked on the WTC tragedy are being put through it. So far about 175 of them have completed it, and it has saved their lives. What happened is that those guys were inhaling practically every element known to man from the dust of those buildings falling and were getting extremely toxic. They developed coughs and then a strange form of asthma and couldn’t sleep and when they could they would have terrible nightmares of death and destruction. They were flunking their physicals and not being fit for duty and some of them were facing the prospect of having to be on lung medication for the rest of their lives to regulate their breathing. Thanks to the program, the guys who have done it have FULLY RECOVERED.

If people wanted to get TRUE data on Narconon, they would look at

http://www.narconon.org/

But Cannabis, let me get back to the main question here. The question I keep asking that apparently keeps not showing up in your browser. I’ll repeat it again:

Oh, and Cannabis, am I mistaken, or did you just a few days ago have in your profile the web site for the legalization of Marijuana? I'm pretty sure it was your profile, but I don't see it there now. If so, what is up with that?
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Legalize marijuana now!
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Legalize marijuana now!

LOL

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