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Old 02-06-2004, 09:37 PM
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Most people who do Narconon are not Scientologists. However, many see the tremendous value that the program has and want to know more about Scientology as a natural consequence of being interested in the source of the program that just saved their life. Pretty simple logic.

Anyway, if the program was so "dangerous" then it wouldn't make a great "recruitment tool" as you seem to think it is. Either way it works out. If it is dangerous, who would want to be part of it? And if it is a good program, then why would it be wrong for someone to be a part of it?

I notice you carefully avoided my question, though. So I'll repeat it:

Oh, and Cannabis, am I mistaken, or did you just a few days ago have in your profile the web site for the legalization of Marijuana? I'm pretty sure it was your profile, but I don't see it there now. If so, what is up with that?
Wow, Scientology actually has a PHILLY Chapter? You mean it hasn't been laughed out of the city yet? It is, quite possibly, the worst thing to happen to religion - and I'm NOT RELIGIOUS - since the advent of Christianity. Mind-control, abuse, both physical and mental, and blackmailing seems to be the order of the day - and don't tell me THAT is rumors; I've read your booklets. I've read your internal documents & procedures, and how one "gets ahead" in the religion. It's all seriously f'd up.

Before board staff "tsk tsk"'s me, it's my opinion - and that of many, many intelligent others - so don't bother. On the rare occasion where I get to come to this board any more, it's to make my opinion known, and I'll continue to do so. For those who ARE members of this seriously messed up group of social poison, I'll make it easy for you to understand what I'm saying: SCIENTOLOGY BAD.

And, if Cannibis - and if you really need an answer to your question after seeing that name, then no wonder you're a member - STAFF, even - of the Church (it's not a church, btw, according to the gov't, and as much as I can't stand the current gov't, at least they've done SOMETHING right, or at least MAINTAINED something right) of Scientology.

And if he IS for the legalization - as are many educated, well-respected doctors & researchers - then so what? So am I; it doesn't hurt anyone, whatever the "War on Drugs" (which has failed, and continues to fail, miserably) would have you believe, and has been used for thousands of years. Just the fact that there's been efforts to criminalize the use of hemp - which has THOUSANDS of currently legal uses, from clothes to rope to medicinal purposes - shows how ignorant people are of the plant's various uses besides smokable marajuana - and like I said, there's nothing wrong with THAT, either. The only side-effect I've ever seen, even in HEAVY smokers, is a sudden urge to raid the fridge or the local Wawa to stock up on crunky, Frito-y goodness.

BTW, the FACT that it's someone from the COS posting Narconon info, saying that the COS doesn't use Narconon as a recruitment point, is a bit ironic, don't you think? Like many other religions, the COS is trying to take advantage of people when they're at their lowest point and most vulnerable to boost their membership count. Disgusting. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourselves, but obviously, you have no shame to be ashamed with.
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Old 02-06-2004, 09:44 PM
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6. Marijuana Damages the Lungs, Nerves and Brain

There are 400 chemicals in marijuana smoke, 60 of these have been proven to cause cancer. These chemicals stay in the body for years. Marijuana contains THC, a “neurotoxin” (a poison affecting the brain and nerves.)

When someone smokes pot, it makes two things happen: 1) there is an immediate burn-up of vitamins and minerals in the body. 2) The nerves in the body go numb.

Each time someone gets “high”, they don’t feel quite as good, and each time they feel a little worse afterwards.

Eventually, pot smokers don’t want the drug… they NEED the drug to relieve the unwanted conditions the drugs created in their bodies. Their bodies can’t take in enough vitamins to make up for what the drug destroys.
None of this is true; this is closer to the effects of Heroin, and even THEN, it's still not totally true.

Do you believe everything you read in the COS and Narconon tells you? Well, obviously you do, rhetorical question.

As for the Narconon pamphlets being distributed in the Philly School System, I've already begun the letter to my state rep, Gov Rendell, and the Mayor to put a stop to do; I would recommend all other people, those with or without children, do the same.

Side Note: I've got about 20 packs of rolling papers, numerous "roach clips," AND a bong - and I no longer smoke marajuana.

Rolling Papers? Roll my own cigarettes.

"Roach Clips?" They have use in electrical engineering related to audio work, as I'm working on custom effects boxes & synthesizers.

Bong? Well, ****, that's just old-school. Makes a nice shelf decoration next to my Aloe plant.

Not a single one of those "signs of usage" you've listed is detrimental to someone's health. NOT A SINGLE ONE. I'd say people like you make me sick, but then, I typically try to avoid even acknowleding such ignorance exists. Thank you for reminding me of the ignorance, stupidity, and total lack of factual knowledge possible in human beings who have no interest in learning the truth on their own. Your kind continue to make the rest of us look even more intelligent than we already are.

And just to toss this in: the fact that you're attacking Cannibis' person, rather than even ATTEMPTING to explain what he's posted, just goes to show that he's right that, rather than even attempting to defend the COS' actions, a member of the "church" will result to attacks, and that's most likely because what has been said is indefensible. Typical.

I'd love to see your reactions in person to him - how long would it take before you tried to physically attack him - or myself - for refusing to bow down, or get flustered by your baseless personal attacks? And even if they DO have base - I'm sure he IS a "pot-head," as you've so negatively put it, it's got NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand. Again, typical.

You are of course welcome on this board, because everyone is. You would not, however, and will never be, until you've removed yourself from the COS cult and been rehabilitated and introduced back into NORMAL society - and NOT through Narconon, I should add - welcome in my home, my business, my life. Not that I think you'd want to be, because we're simply having too much fun behaving as heathens at our orgy parties, dens of sin (the nickname for my college apartment, ironically enough), and opium dens. Am I joking? Only you - or should I say those thinking for you - will be able to decide.

One last thing...why is it that, after they've been involved for awhile, eventually EVERY member of the COS ends up working in some capacity for them. Do you actually get paid? Many do not, and are taken advantage of, and mentally - and oftentimes physically - abused, if they are unable to do what they're "asked" (demanded) to do, even if it would negatively impact their lives, personal relationships, and careers. I'd find examples online of ex-COS members explaining what happened during their unfortunate lapse of judgement - which can last for years - but there's so many, you can easily find them by doing a search on Google - you know, that search engine that the COS tried to sue for delivering results that went against the COS party line? Be sure to sue all of the ISPs, hosts, and posters of any info you find...I'd expect nothing less!
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Old 02-06-2004, 10:16 PM
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[quote="innovafire"]Cannabis,

I get it, but you're only talking about people who are underage. For the VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORLD the drugs would be easier to get if legalized.

And COMPETITION and PROFIT exist everywhere, in legal and illegal markets. So your point on this is moot.
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Illegal drugs are easier to get for EVERYONE; Bars & Liquor stores close (in theory) at 2am; I could walk two blocks and buy coke, heroin, weed, you name it, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week - and I live in CENTER CITY.

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The problem here is that YOUR definition of "the drug problem" and MY definition of " the drug problem" are completely diferent. Your problem is you can't get them without putting yourself in danger legally. My problem (the problem for most people) is that people are USING illicit drugs.

And the basic on it is that it is easier for people to NOT CONFRONT their life problems and simply take a drug to feel good, than it is to really face whatever needs correction in one's life and acheive happiness through SUCCESSFUL LIVING - i.e. facing and overcoming the obstacles one is presented with in life. For all the BS talk about how "natural" pot is, it is a hell of a lot more "natural" to just face life and LIVE IT.
And I was going to respond to this, began to, but what's the point? You'll never get it, in your lily-white world.
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Old 02-21-2004, 06:56 PM
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1. THERE ARE GOOD DRUGS AND BAD DRUGS. Absolutely
2. SOME DRUGS DON;T HURT YOUR MIND. Yup
3. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO TAKE DRUGS. No
4. MOST DRUGS AREN'T HABIT-FORMING. Yes
5. ALCOHOL ISN'T A DRUG No
6. MARIJUANA ISN'T HARMFUL. I hope it isn't!
7. ECSTASY IS SAFER THAN OTHER DRUGS. No
8. DRUGS INCREASE CREATIVITY. YES!!!!
9. DRUGS IMPROVE SEXUAL PERFORMANCE. Sometimes
10. DRUGS STAY IN THE BODY FOR ONE DAY. no

If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records, tapes and all your cd's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal &%@%@$ high on drugs. - Bill Hicks
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