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Old 11-25-2003, 05:38 PM
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http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_...ot_losing.html

Interesting article on the Republican party. It deals with a ton of stuff, but the focus of this string is what they call South Park Republicans.

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Many conservatives have attacked South Park for its exuberant vulgarity, calling it “twisted,” “vile trash,” a “threat to our youth.” Such denunciations are misguided. Conservative critics should pay closer attention to what South Park so irreverently jeers at and mocks. As the show’s co-creator, 32-year-old Matt Stone, sums it up: “I hate conservatives, but I really ****ing hate liberals.”

Not for nothing has blogger and former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan praised the show for being “the best antidote to PC culture we have.” South Park sharpens the iconoclastic, anti-PC edge of earlier cartoon shows like The Simpsons and King of the Hill, and spares no sensitivity. The show’s single black kid is called Token. One episode, “Cripple Fight,” concludes with a slugfest between the boys’ wheelchair-bound, cerebral-palsy-stricken friend Timmy and the obnoxious Jimmy, who wants to be South Park’s Number One “handi-capable” citizen (in his cringe-making PC locution). In another, “Rainforest Schmainforest,” the boys’ school sends them on a field trip to Costa Rica, led by an activist choir group, “Getting Gay with Kids,” which wants to raise youth awareness about “our vanishing rain forests.”
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South Park regularly mocks left-wing celebrities who feel entitled to pontificate on how the nation should be run. In one of the most brutal parodies, made in just several days during the 2000 Florida recount fiasco, loudmouth Rosie O’Donnell sweeps into town to weigh in on a kindergarten election dispute involving her nephew. The boys’ teacher dresses her down: “People like you preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time, but when it comes to middle America, you think we’re all evil and stupid country yokels who need your political enlightenment. Just because you’re on TV doesn’t mean you know crap about the government.”

South Park has satirized the sixties counterculture (Cartman has feverish nightmares about hippies, who “want to save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad”); anti-big-business zealots (a “Harbucks” coffee chain opens in South Park, to initial resistance but eventual acclaim as everyone—including the local coffee house’s owners—admits its bean beats anything previously on offer in the town); sex ed in school (featuring “the Sexual Harassment Panda,” an outrageous classroom mascot); pro-choice extremists (Cartman’s mother decides she wants to abort him, despite the fact that he’s eight years old, relying on the “it’s my body” argument); hate-crime legislation, anti-discrimination lawsuits, gay scout leaders, and much more. Conservatives do not escape the show’s satirical sword—gun-toting rednecks and phony patriots have been among those slashed. But there should be no mistaking the deepest thrust of South Park’s politics.
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Andrew Sullivan dubs the fans of all this cable-nurtured satire “South Park Republicans”—people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely skeptical of political correctness” but also are socially liberal on many issues, Sullivan explains. Such South Park Republicanism is a real trend among younger Americans, he observes: South Park’s typical viewer, for instance, is an advertiser-ideal 28.
Talk to right-leaning college students, and it’s clear that Sullivan is onto something. Arizona State undergrad Eric Spratling says the definition fits him and his Republican pals perfectly. “The label is really about rejecting the image of conservatives as uptight squares—crusty old men or nerdy kids in blue blazers. We might have long hair, smoke cigarettes, get drunk on weekends, have sex before marriage, watch R-rated movies, cuss like sailors—and also happen to be conservative, or at least libertarian.” Recent Stanford grad Craig Albrecht says most of his young Bush-supporter friends “absolutely cherish” South Park–style comedy “for its illumination of hypocrisy and stupidity in all spheres of life.” It just so happens, he adds, “that most hypocrisy and stupidity take place within the liberal camp.”
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Andrew Sullivan dubs the fans of all this cable-nurtured satire “South Park Republicans”—people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely skeptical of political correctness” but also are socially liberal on many issues...

...We might have long hair, smoke cigarettes, get drunk on weekends, have sex before marriage, watch R-rated movies, cuss like sailors—and also happen to be conservative, or at least libertarian.”
I read the whole article and failed to find any ideas where these South Park Republicans had any socially liberal ideas. In fact they sounded quite a bit like selfish hedonists to me.

The article in itself is scary because it points out how conservative views have found a home on cable news, cable t.v., the internet and book publishing. What bothers me is that in this piece the whole idea of the Fairness Doctrine is non-existent.
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I'd probably be a libertarian if so many people weren't stupid and/or greedy.
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I'd probably be a libertarian if so many people weren't stupid and/or greedy.
this thread does show that you have to be both arrogant and self important to be liberal. yes, bruce, i'm referring to your baseles accusations too.
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I'd probably be a libertarian if so many people weren't stupid and/or greedy.
this thread does show that you have to be both arrogant and self important to be liberal.
How so?
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How is my remark arrogant and self-important?
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For years, people have used the term "bleeding heart liberal." I'm arrogant because I use the term "selfish hedonist" to describe someone who says, "We might have long hair, smoke cigarettes, get drunk on weekends, have sex before marriage, watch R-rated movies, cuss like sailors?"

Oh pulleze Andre, you're going to have to do better than that! :shock:
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How is my remark arrogant and self-important?
b/c you assume that liberals are not selfish and greedy and along with their leaders are capable of deciding how everyone else should live. I've been on this board a long time and it seems to have become a mouthpiece for the extreme left. bashing anyone who doesn;t agree into submission. comments thrown around about stupid, ignorant people outside of the "blue" philly. it's just plain disgusting the amount of self righteousness (the word I shoulda used to begin with) that goes on. that's all, over and out. I also think it's funny b/c I beleive selfsh hedonist used to be used to describe the left. people are people.
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b/c you assume that liberals are not selfish and greedy and along with their leaders are capable of deciding how everyone else should live.
See, here's the problem...you're the one doing the assuming here. I merely said the following:

I'd probably be a libertarian if so many people weren't stupid and/or greedy.

Rather than asking me what I meant, you reply, "this thread does show that you have to be both arrogant and self important to be liberal."

While I do consider myself a liberal, you might have noticed (both here and on my own board) that I don't tow the liberal line--particularly when it comes to business, guns and unions. Did you consider that I might actually be poking fun at liberals at all?

You seem like a decent guy, el, but perhaps you should consider someone's words more carefully before you respond in the future.
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