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Old 06-25-2008, 01:47 PM
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Borrow the capital from overseas and be beholden to China just like the rest of the country.
Actually, 'Become beholden to China like third world nations are' is probably more accurate...
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:22 PM
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Nice to see that you have no grasp of history and little grasp of economics.

Let's take the South as an example: they had a huge labor force and lots of land, so they were able to grow huge amounts of cotton and tobacco.

But all the factories for turning raw cotton into fabric and tobacco into cigars and other products were... in the North. So the South tried to get England to ally with them, as England needed cotton, too. The Union Navy established a blockade and the cotton ended up rotting on the wharves of the southern port cities.
Thing is you don't have industry in the NE anymore. The South is growing in industrial production, while the factories in the Midwest are still there, they just needed a tenant.

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The North could live without Southern cotton, but the South couldn't live without Northern industry, and they didn't have the capital to build factories of their own.

Yes, the middle part of the country has vast natural resources and produces large amount of grain. But the oil and grain are all still shipped... to the east and west coasts for processing. The NE still has the bulk of the country's refining capacity, and if you want to ship anything oversea cheaply, it's got to go through the ports of the East or West coast.
New Orleans port is being rebuilt, nicely. The gulf ports will always be there. That's also assuming East Washington doesn't raid Seattle and capture the city and the coast to bring them under the umbrella of the Middle States, likewise with Oregon and Northern California. San Diego is also a prime candidate to side with the Middle States.

Refining capacity is centered in the NE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:41 PM
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Ah, see economics comes into play again: where would they get the capital to fund big projects like refineries? They've have to borrow it from back east. so they'd still be beholden to the richer States on the coasts.
Simon's bringing paper to a gun fight.

Newsflash Simon. Your dollar is worth crap, and you don't have have Fort Knox.

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The middle of the country might not be completely worthless, but it doesn't make a fraction of the money that the coast do. On a smaller scale, Pennsylvania has the same problem: all the revenue comes from the edges of the state and supports the middle.

It ain't right and it ain't fair, and as a Yankee, I'm sick of it.
Please. You will be crushed within a month. You will be blockaded this time around. All your highways leading in will be blown stopping your people from getting out, your ports and airports blown stopping incoming supplies from Hugo Chavez and company, your water treatment plants blown causing dehydration and giving rise to disease and sickness, and then the Middle will just sit back and laugh as your devour each and the looting, rioting, pillaging, rape, and savagery occurs. It happens everytime where you have people dependent on government and government is not there.

As for the MSA, they have their own food and water supplies, and they have the gold and bulk of oil refining capacity as well as the resources. They have the bulk of the military capacity, and the bulk of the veterans in the country. They have the bulk of trained hunters, and the bulk of people ready to kick your arse. U gots, u gots, paper, and concrete.

You also have to take into account most countries will opt to stay out of any conflict for fear of reprisal in their own countries which could spark chaos there that they don't want. Simon, you just may be on your own here. Concering weapons, this link gives a rough idea of where the weapons are made. There has been stuff in the news recently of nuclear weapon originating out of N. Dakota.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...uction_complex

Let's just keep to the constitution, this really is not necessary. But if so, the MSA will gladly rebuild the cities that were their's originally after you're gone.
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of course freed from the wealthy coasts environmentalism, they coudl easily build their own refineries and ship via canada and mexico. perhaps monterrey will secede from mexico as that country collapses. only a true yankee coudl refer to entire regions as worthless. they might be a bit less worthless if DC and Wall St hadn't shipped their jobs overseas (through skewed tax and regualtory policies) in exchange for financing their spending habits. and whose we, the last I saw, PA was a debtor state as well. PA is still the place where northeast meets south and midwest, for better and for worse. the union will begin to fray during my lifetime as it benefits fewer and fewer states. where woudl california be without cheap power produced in Az? NYC's dominance in finance overshadows the outright depression that majority of the state is in. it is the duty of citizens to engage in revolution every now and again. I believe jefferson penned that thought.
not saying these states are right or will secede, but one could probably effectively argue that they'd be better off without DC. same with PR.
The NorthEast should be ashamed of themselves. Simon represents the NorthEast, and his comments are being circulated across the internet. All the years of poverty and feudalism the NorthEast has inflicted on their fellow brothers and sisters throughout history needs to be atoned for. The hording of Federal Reserve money for themselves while the rest of the country starves needs to be atoned for.

The attack on the civil liberties of the rest of the country, from gun rights, self-defense rights, free speech rights, and freedom of religion rights, by the NorthEast needs to be atoned for. The economic policies of Wall Street, who is now in the tank with Obama and enabled heavily by Bill Clinton, that have devastated their fellow man and woman across the country need to be atoned for. The disrespect shown to their fellow brothers and sisters serving in the military and fighting to preserve the freedoms of the NorthEast need to be atoned for.

The 58, 000 veterans who died in Vietnam in vain as a result of a Massachusetts President and their demoralizing actions and rioting of the 60's needs to be atoned for. The 400, 000 Americans who died in World War 2 to preserve freedom for the NorthEast and the utter disrespect shown to their memory needs to be atoned for. The 600, 000 Americans who died during the War Between The States whose memory is shown complete disrespect needs to be atoned for.

The NorthEast should feel guilty for what they've done to this country. The NorthEast should feel guilty for exploiting Italian labor throughout history. The NorthEast should feel guilty exploiting Latino labor throughout history. The NorthEast should feel guilty for their Vietnam war that slaughtered millions of Asians. The NorthEast should feel guilty for originally treating German immigrants the way they did during colonial days. The NorthEast should feel guilty for the way they treated the Irish.

The NorthEast should feel guilty for this past primary season in which they labeled half of the families who have given their sons and daughters to fight for their freedom as essentially uneducated, white trash. The quotes have been saved, and the documentaries being produced. The NorthEast should feel guilty for treating those who look up to them with the utmost respect and part of the pride of being American as nothing more than worthless.

This election is the perfect opportunity for the NorthEast to show they are sorry for what they've done to the country and the world. This election, more than ever, is the perfect opportunity for the NE to show their guilt and atone for it. Middle Americans are very forgiving people, hopefully the NE will do the right thing this election. A strong message of solidarity in the voting box this general election against Obama and the policies of oppression is everything that could work to start correcting the wrongs inflicted on society and the country by the NE.
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This election is the perfect opportunity for the NorthEast to show they are sorry for what they've done to the country and the world. This election, more than ever, is the perfect opportunity for the NE to show their guilt and atone for it. Middle Americans are very forgiving people, hopefully the NE will do the right thing this election. A strong message of solidarity in the voting box this general election against Obama and the policies of oppression is everything that could work to start correcting the wrongs inflicted on society and the country by the NE.
Wow, Batshit, party of one, your table's ready!

I'm perfectly happy with my NorthEastern Yankee guilt, as we're still rich and the rest of the country isn't. I'll feel guilty all the way to the bank.
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Wow, Batshit, party of one, your table's ready!

I'm perfectly happy with my NorthEastern Yankee guilt, as we're still rich and the rest of the country isn't. I'll feel guilty all the way to the bank.
SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN D.C. GUN BAN!!!!!!!!! CAN'T WAIT TO READ OPINION TO SEE IF OTHER GUN CONTROL LAWS CAN BE ATTACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shove it Simon. The Union survives!

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Shove it Simon. The Union survives!
They can't be. SCOTUS says you have a right to keep guns in your house, but says that the state/local government have a right to regulate what people do with them iun public.

But what does that have to do with the Midwest being a giant f*cking cash sink?
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They can't be. SCOTUS says you have a right to keep guns in your house, but says that the state/local government have a right to regulate what people do with them iun public.

But what does that have to do with the Midwest being a giant f*cking cash sink?
Read the majority opinion more carefully. It makes clear that the people have the right to both keep and bear (carry) arms. I was very much surprised that they went as far as they did. Scalia also foreshadowed incorporation (acknowledging that prior opinions rejected incorporation but hinting that they are now ripe to be re-examined).

Irrelevant in PA anyway. We have the statutory and state constitutional right to carry.

What that has to do with whatever you are on about I don't know. States are not allowed to just remove themselves from our map. The south already tried it and it didn't end well for them.
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What that has to do with whatever you are on about I don't know. States are not allowed to just remove themselves from our map. The south already tried it and it didn't end well for them.
My point was that cap'n slappy thinks that the Midwest and South are somehow being held back by the mean and evil coasts; I was just trying to explain to him that the opposite is in fact the case.

Also, Texas can legally secede.
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Wow, Batshit, party of one, your table's ready!

I'm perfectly happy with my NorthEastern Yankee guilt, as we're still rich and the rest of the country isn't. I'll feel guilty all the way to the bank.
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