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Old 08-07-2008, 10:50 AM
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How about we have not been attacked again on American soil?
I can only imagine what may have happened if Gore or KErry were president.

You may hate Bush but at least he had the balls to step up and fight back unlike Clinton. And God forbid Obama gets into the white house.
We never would have gotten attacked in the first place if Gore were in office. Gore wasn't in bed with the Saudi's his entire adult life like Bush. Gore reads and comprehends English.... Gore might even have read the memo about Bin Ladin planning to attack the US.

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The memo includes intelligence on al Qaeda threats as recent as three months before the attacks.

Highlights of the report include:

• An intelligence report received in May 2001 indicating that al Qaeda was trying to send operatives to the United States through Canada to carry out an attack using explosives. That information had been passed on to intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

• An allegation that al Qaeda had been considering ways to hijack American planes to win the release of operatives who had been arrested in 1998 and 1999.

• An allegation that bin Laden was set on striking the United States as early as 1997 and through early 2001.

• Intelligence suggesting that suspected al Qaeda operatives were traveling to and from the United States, were U.S. citizens, and may have had a support network in the country.

• A report that at least 70 FBI investigations were under way in 2001 regarding possible al Qaeda cells/terrorist-related operations in the United States.
Those two factors alone would have made the difference. Add on top that he would listen when a foreign government sent repeated warnings.

I don't imagine Kerry would have done anything good for our country but I also think he wouldn't have run it into the ground like a rental car during a bender in Las Vegas.

Fight BACK? Do you still think Iraq was responsible for 9/11? Is Osama in custody or a body bag??

Obama... Yeah... god forbid someone with the ability to string full sentences together be in power...

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Old 08-07-2008, 10:54 AM
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We never would have gotten attacked in the first place if Gore were in office. Gore isn't in bed with the Saudi's his entire adult life like Bush. Gore reads and comprehends English.... Gore might even have read the memo about Bin Ladin planning to attack the US.
So I guess Clinton was in bed with them then.
How about the wall between the CIA and FBI that went up during the Clinton administration?

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The memo includes intelligence on al Qaeda threats as recent as three months before the attacks.

Highlights of the report include:

• An intelligence report received in May 2001 indicating that al Qaeda was trying to send operatives to the United States through Canada to carry out an attack using explosives. That information had been passed on to intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

• An allegation that al Qaeda had been considering ways to hijack American planes to win the release of operatives who had been arrested in 1998 and 1999.

• An allegation that bin Laden was set on striking the United States as early as 1997 and through early 2001.

• Intelligence suggesting that suspected al Qaeda operatives were traveling to and from the United States, were U.S. citizens, and may have had a support network in the country.

• A report that at least 70 FBI investigations were under way in 2001 regarding possible al Qaeda cells/terrorist-related operations in the United States.
All of this during the Clinton administration. He had the chance to bring down Bin Laden but was to busy getting head under his desk in the oval office to care about America.
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Old 08-07-2008, 11:12 AM
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Add on top that he would listen when a foreign government sent repeated warnings.
In case you don't know what I'm talking about...

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...gnIntelligence

1998: Indonesia Gives US Warning of 9/11 Attack?

Hendropriyono, the Indonesian chief of intelligence, will later claim that, “[we] had intelligence predicting the September 11 attacks three years before it happened but nobody believed us.” He says Indonesian intelligence agents identify bin Laden as the leader of the group plotting the attack and that the US disregards the warning, but otherwise offers no additional details. The Associated Press notes, “Indonesia’s intelligence services are not renowned for their accuracy.” [Associated Press, 7/9/2003]

1999: British Intelligence Warns Al-Qaeda Plans to Use Aircraft, Possibly as Flying Bombs

MI6 headquarters in London.MI6 headquarters in London. [Source: Cryptome]MI6, the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways,” “possibly as flying bombs.” [Sunday Times (London), 6/9/2002]

August 12, 2000: Italian Intelligence Wiretap of Al-Qaeda Cell Reveals Plan for Massive Aircraft-based Strike

Italian intelligence successfully wiretaps an al-Qaeda cell in Milan, Italy, starting in late 1999. [Boston Globe, 8/4/2002] In a wiretapped conversation from this day, Abdulsalam Ali Abdulrahman, a section chief in Yemen’s Political Security Organization (PSO - roughly the equivalent to the FBI in the US) traveling on a diplomatic passport (see Spring-Summer 1998), talks about a massive strike against the enemies of Islam involving aircraft and the sky.

More at the link from the Egyptians, Germans, Indians etc etc... warning after warning, year after year .... but did Bush and his crew listen?? No. We don't listen to ferners around these here parts. But I wager that that faggot commie liberal elitist Gore would have been inclined to.
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All of this during the Clinton administration. He had the chance to bring down Bin Laden but was to busy getting head under his desk in the oval office to care about America.
Yes, Clinton could have done more but the majority of the intelligence and warnings and the attack itself happened firmly on Bush's watch.
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So I guess Clinton was in bed with them then.
How about the wall between the CIA and FBI that went up during the Clinton administration?



All of this during the Clinton administration. He had the chance to bring down Bin Laden but was to busy getting head under his desk in the oval office to care about America.
A couple of things:
1) Clinton did try to kill Bin Laden with a missle strike.
2) The wall between the CIA and the FBI took decades to build-so blaming Clinton shows you are a partisan hack.
3) Bin Laden is still running around making videotapes. See one lately? Bush failed to catch him and failed to destroy the Taliban entrusting the Northen Alliance to do it for him. Bad idea. He had his eye on Iraq and Bin Laden is free. Can't blame that on Clinton.
4) on the lack of attacks on the US-Bin Laden and company don't need to come to America to kill Americans. We have 4000+ soldiers dead in Iraq. Are their lives worth less than civilian lives? Most of the conservatives blowhards would say their lives are worth more.
Contradiction much?
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A couple of things:
1) Clinton did try to kill Bin Laden with a missle strike.
And he hit an aspirin factory. He had other opportunities as well and passed them up.

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2) The wall between the CIA and the FBI took decades to build-so blaming Clinton shows you are a partisan hack.
hardly.

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3) Bin Laden is still running around making videotapes. See one lately? Bush failed to catch him and failed to destroy the Taliban entrusting the Northen Alliance to do it for him. Bad idea. He had his eye on Iraq and Bin Laden is free. Can't blame that on Clinton.
so list everything CLinton did during his administration to destroy the taliban when they attacked American interests?

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4) on the lack of attacks on the US-Bin Laden and company don't need to come to America to kill Americans. We have 4000+ soldiers dead in Iraq. Are their lives worth less than civilian lives? Most of the conservatives blowhards would say their lives are worth more.
Contradiction much?
many less than Vietnam.
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Yes, Clinton could have done more but the majority of the intelligence and warnings and the attack itself happened firmly on Bush's watch.

and the intelligence was shady at best.
Remember all the budget cuts Clinton made for the intelligence department and the Military?
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and the intelligence was shady at best.
Read: pervasive and accurate

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Remember all the budget cuts Clinton made for the intelligence department and the Military?
No. But I do remember Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and Cheney doing so.

Some reading for you on the good works regarding prevention of attacks on US soil during Clinton's time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_mi...m_attack_plots

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LAX bombing plot

Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian living in Canada, planned to bomb Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). He was arrested at Port Angeles, Washington after crossing by ferry from Victoria, British Columbia, on December 14, 1999. Customs officials then found nitroglycerin and four timing devices concealed in a spare tire well of his automobile. He and three other Algerians stood trial for the crime. Ressam began cooperating with investigators in 2001. On July 27, 2005, he was sentenced to 22 years in prison.
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While in prison, Ressam revealed that al-Qaeda sleeper cells existed within the United States. This information was included in the famous Presidential Daily Briefing delivered to President Bush on August 6, 2001, entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US".
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