Great day for the scantity of life.

Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

80% of Americans are against this, but the ACLU thinks the new law is an incroachment on civil rights. I think it is an excellent peice of legislation and the slippery slope fiends need to get a life.

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Lynn Swann 06'

"Individualism is absent when other peoples' standards, not reality and reason, are ones primary guide."

How about a citation for your figures of 80%? Could it be because of the misleading propaganda spewed by right-wingers that so many people are against something misnomed "partial birth abortion"? How about a discussion about when the procedure is performed? Or WHY it's performed? Or how often? Telling half the story and manipulating semantics is a sure way to get some people to agree with you, but it's not 80%.

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Gotta chime in with Brooke on this one, Blob.

It's not good to just regurgitate information you've seen on a "right to life" flyer.

I'd like to see some documentation surrounding that "80%" figure because I'm quite sure it's inaccurate.

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/livin..._abortion.html

Here's a poll I found online from ABC News conducted in July.

Good points all. What would justify the use of this procedure? Why should it be legal or illegal? How does this relate the main issue of abortion?

Opponents File Suit Vs. New Abortion Ban
By DAVID KRAVETS, Associated Press Writer
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rtion_lawsuits

They make it seem like the only qualification for a partial birth abortion is that it be late term. There's a lot more to it than that. I openly admit that the language of the first post is partisian on this issue, but you can't argue that that procedure is not what they do. Words like "grabs","jams", and "sucks out" are used to invoke an image, but no matter how you say it, the baby is removed from the mother up to its head. A hole is than, (what's a none partisian word?), cut, (is that acceptable?), in the baby's head and the internal parts are removed. Is that more acceptable? Is it less discussting when you use polite language? And by the way, there are clauses for life threating situations. This isn't about choice. It's about life. FYI-I'm pro-choice.

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Lynn Swann 06'

"Individualism is absent when other peoples' standards, not reality and reason, are ones primary guide."

Jason--I like babies and puppies and all things cute and cuddley. Fact is that the procedure is rarely performed, and performed only in extreme cases (those do NOT include when the woman just "forgot" to have an abortion earlier or is just a mean person)--the article references a woman who had this late-term abortion when she found out that her baby was growing with its brain outside its head. In instances, the procedure is also performed to save a mother's life (as you mentioned). I think this legistation is unnecessary and wastes time and resources--if you package it in a particular way, you gather support for the pro-life movement and you perpetuate the villifying of abortion doctors and women who seek abortions. As someone whose sister died because she was born without bile ducts approximately 9 months after she was born and suffered a miserable, excruciating sorry excuse for a life for those 9 months, I definitely think my mother should have had a right to save her this pain had she known of her condition in advance. This is about life, quality of life, and mercy.

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I agree with much of what Brooke seems to be saying, although a human life is definitely far more precious than that of a puppy. Personally, I cringe at the practice of abortion, unless it is a medical necessity to protect the life or health of the mother, but I still believe strongly that it needs to remain legal- in all of its forms.

There is no doubt in my mind that late-term abortions should be only performed in rare, medically necessary circumstances, but it is not the role of our legislators or courts to tell a patient and her doctor what medically indicated treatments she can or cannot have. Period.

I believe a better question, that many conservatives seem to be dodging is what can we do, in our nation to help dramatically reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies in our nation, particularly teen pregnancies?

I think there needs to be much more energy, money and resources spent on making more options available to help prevent such pregnancies, or at the very least taking proactive steps to dramatically reduce them.

Abortion is sometimes medically necessary, so thus I believe it should remain legal in all of its forms.

What is the saying our own Ben Franklin gave us?

"An ounce of prevention is worth [at least] a pound of cure."

In other words, the best way to dramatically reduce the number of abortions is to effectively address the problem of unwanted pregnancy.

Peace,

J

actually, i don't think that conservatives dodge this one at all. they call it, abstinence. now if you are going to get married at 30, waiting until marriage is asking a lot. however, if you get married at 19...who cares. also, the avg age to lose virginity is 15 for men and 16 for women (maybe it's younger now). there is some room to abstain w/o being a total prude. i think it is good for HS'ers to not have sex personally. they are not ready for it in any way other than physically. but how do you teach that? esp. w/o calling out the parents?