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Old 04-27-2008, 10:32 AM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say some folks are so removed from basic law enforcement that they shouldn't be opining on this.
The Police are not required to and do NOT read people their "Miranada" Rights when they're being arrested. They only need to be read before the suspect is questioned.
Some things are automatic they're done so routinely, and a plain clothes officer identifying himself as a police officer is one of them.
Think about it logically - Occam's Razor - why would the officers, at that point, NOT want to be identified as Police?
Obviously I'm missing something(so there should be no need to continue back and forth) but if your going after someone, you would think that they WOULD idenfity themselves as police so that the suspects won't do anything stupid, like try to run over them or shoot at them. I wasn't aware that was such a radical thought.
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Which "petty crimes" are we locking people up for? Because you can go out and violently assault someone and chances are excellent you'll never be sentenced to a day of imprisonment.
Well, I know there is a "War on Drugs" but it seems pointless to lock people up for taking drugs and in some cases even selling drugs. Legalizing drugs would curb alot of the violence associated with the drug trade. As far as I'm concerned, anything short of murder, rape/incest and pedophilla, shouldn't warrant jail time. And when you do get jail time, I don't think you should ever get out. Maybe some sort of fine and supervised community service would be in order.

Putting non-violent offenders in jail with sex offenders and murders is a recipe for disaster when those men come back out. Their more likely to have std's, more violent and their chances of getting employment are lower. Not to mention that a child is more likely to go to jail if one of their parents is incarcerated.

But that's just my opinion and I don't expect anything to change in my lifetime.
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Obviously I'm missing something(so there should be no need to continue back and forth) but if your going after someone, you would think that they WOULD idenfity themselves as police so that the suspects won't do anything stupid, like try to run over them or shoot at them. I wasn't aware that was such a radical thought.
Correct. Identification greatly increases the likelihood of compliance. The Officers say they identified themselves, it would make sense that they did, I see no reason to doubt they did.
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Correct. Identification greatly increases the likelihood of compliance. The Officers say they identified themselves, it would make sense that they did, I see no reason to doubt they did.
That's where I can't agree. I can't imagine someone being stupid enough to try to ram the police after they have identified themselves. I will concede that it's possible that they disregarded the police and kept moving their vehicle after leaving a club possibly drunk and maybe high. Then again, stupider things have happened I guess.
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Well, I know there is a "War on Drugs" but it seems pointless to lock people up for taking drugs and in some cases even selling drugs. Legalizing drugs would curb alot of the violence associated with the drug trade. As far as I'm concerned, anything short of murder, rape/incest and pedophilla, shouldn't warrant jail time. And when you do get jail time, I don't think you should ever get out. Maybe some sort of fine and supervised community service would be in order.
Almost no one gets sentenced to prison for taking drugs, and it's highly unlikely that you'll see prison time for selling unless you're selling very large amounts. People "caught up in the war on drugs" are incarcerated for something associated with their addiction or with selling drugs (weapons violations for instance).
Per the murder/rape/incest(?)/pedophilia, you're entitled to your view, but most folks don't want to live in a society where I can habitually walk behind the counter of the 7-11, beat the clerks over the head with a baseball bat with nails driven into it, take all the money and so long as they don't die, just pay a fine or do community service.
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Im amazed NYC hasnt burned to the ground yet.

Yes I know its not LA...but you never know.
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So removed from basic law? So Tann. that means you must have been there that night to know if the police properly identified themselves? I've seen plenty of situations where cops didn't not read people their rights when they were arresting them. I've also seen unmarked cars with men jump out and start chasing folks without identifying who they are. I'm sure people like you and the cops on the board would say I'm lying, but if you wheren't there, you wouldn't know.

I'm not trying to paint the cops in this incident has coldblooded murderers. I just think they might have forgot to identify themselves properly and this mess could have been avoided.....
I know you are not lying.

#1 We don't have to read people their 'rights' immediatley after their arrest like seen on television. Actually we don't do it unless they are going to be questioned and the detectvies take care of that.

#2 I work plainclothes alot and you are correct about the mistaken indentity problem. We try to identify ourselves as best as possible and quickly as possible. In a dynamic situation that is quickly going crazy, it doesn't always happen the same way. But I don't want to get shot and give an excuse to the shooter as to mistaken indentity, so it is rather important to us also.
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That's where I can't agree. I can't imagine someone being stupid enough to try to ram the police after they have identified themselves. I will concede that it's possible that they disregarded the police and kept moving their vehicle after leaving a club possibly drunk and maybe high. Then again, stupider things have happened I guess.
Just the other day a motorist irate at a citation, rammed a marked police car down at Philadelphia International Airport.

It happens often. A suspect can either fight/flee or comply and be arrested. They must think they can get away easily, because many cause much more damage and problems than just giving up. Sometimes it leads to their own demise. Does Wilson Goode's nephew's situation sound similar?
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Im amazed NYC hasnt burned to the ground yet.

Yes I know its not LA...but you never know.
Maybe because they can't fully use the race card. Two of the officers were black and one was white.

That didn't stop some from chanting "KKK", which given the circumstances, I can't fully understand.
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From what I have read, an AA officer was the first to shoot.
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