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Old 04-15-2008, 07:51 PM
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What would keep the oil companies from raising their price to the current level with tax, allowing them even greater profit?
Something called a market.
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:30 PM
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Because if they all agreed to raise the price together, it is collusion and the trust busting authority of the government could lay the hammer down on them.
The gov't would have to prove collusion, which is very difficult (last major case they actually won was Christie's/Sotheby's). But if the major oil companies all do it without talking to each other, there's no collusion.

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Yeah, because they just waste the money on useless stuff like repairing roads and bridges.
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Finally... A proposal that rewards drivers and ignores non-drivers. A proposal that rewards owners of gas-guzzlers more than it rewards owners of fuel-efficient cars. McCain is a freaking genius.
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Two cheers to McCain for going after the folks gouging drivers at the gas pump: state and federal governments.
Yeah, because they just waste the money on useless stuff like repairing roads and bridges.
You may have missed this, where I point out what I dislike is the anti-oil company demagoguery, not the gas tax itself:

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Which is why I was glad McCain pointed the finger at the taxes instead of the oil companies. I just find it irritating when a lawmaker votes for an increase in the gas tax and then goes on television complaining about the high cost of gas.
As a matter of fact, I like the fact that many states have dedicated road funds made up of revenues from gas taxes.

Unfortunately, as it turns out, too much of the money isn't being spent on roads and bridges. In some cases, state governments are raiding road funds to cover gaps in their general revenues. As a result we have a lot of rotting and crumbling infrastructure. Those funds are often diverted from their original purpose by lawmakers who turn around and bitch about the oil companies.

Hence the two -- and not three -- cheers for McCain.
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Unfortunately, as it turns out, too much of the money isn't being spent on roads and bridges. In some cases, state governments are raiding road funds to cover gaps in their general revenues. As a result we have a lot of rotting and crumbling infrastructure. Those funds are often diverted from their original purpose by lawmakers who turn around and bitch about the oil companies.

Hence the two -- and not three -- cheers for McCain.
Yeah, New Jersey isn't cheering...I can't post what they are doing...
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The gov't would have to prove collusion, which is very difficult (last major case they actually won was Christie's/Sotheby's). But if the major oil companies all do it without talking to each other, there's no collusion.

Federal government drops the tax 18 cents a gallon. Why would all of them raise their price 18 cents a gallon without discussing it? If Sunoco raised it 18 cents a gallon, all the others could raise it 10 cents and take their business.

That means Sunoco would have to go down to their range, which means they can go down to 5 cents a gallon more, etc.

It is called economics.
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Gas Taxes pay for important stuff.
They should make them higher.
I'd have to disagree. and the other side to the "gass guzzler" argument is that gas taxes represent a disproportionately large portion of lower and average income people. It also hurts truckers, delivery drivers, etc. Obviously killing the gas tax and not replacing it isn't a viable long term solution but suspending it so that people can deal with rising prices isn't the worst idea in the world and is probably more efficient than sending rebate checks. It wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO, to see a shift to toll roads so people have a choice in how much they pay. There's always the argument that tolls increase local traffic but so what if they do? that's good for the local economy as people discover places they used to drive thorugh.
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Finally... A proposal that rewards drivers and ignores non-drivers. A proposal that rewards owners of gas-guzzlers more than it rewards owners of fuel-efficient cars. McCain is a freaking genius.
The price of gas is tied directly to producion of food amongst other things.


Higher gas.

Now means + $2 for a case of beer and + $2 for a pizza.
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I'd have to disagree. and the other side to the "gass guzzler" argument is that gas taxes represent a disproportionately large portion of lower and average income people. It also hurts truckers, delivery drivers, etc. Obviously killing the gas tax and not replacing it isn't a viable long term solution but suspending it so that people can deal with rising prices isn't the worst idea in the world and is probably more efficient than sending rebate checks. It wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO, to see a shift to toll roads so people have a choice in how much they pay. There's always the argument that tolls increase local traffic but so what if they do? that's good for the local economy as people discover places they used to drive thorugh.

Agreed

Given time even the 95 closure would have generated growth in the areas currently bypassed by 95.

For example...the Route 130 Corridor after the construction of 295.
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