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I'd like to step back from the hair-splitting.
Women are entitled to social, political, and economic equality. That's radical? Those are human rights. Women are human. Women's rights are human rights. If we call ourselves a just, humane society, then we ought to support that. Denying women social, political, and economic equality violates the human rights of the female half of humanity. Yes, I know, we could get bogged down over how to define terms. But opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment (I can't believe this is 21st Century America, and we're still debating this) usually grows from a wish to deny women our human rights. Or I don't know, maybe the people who oppose the Equal Rights Amendment most vocally and with the most hostility take really, really proactive, aggressive measures to seek equality for women. Maybe they strongly denounce gender bigotry wherever they see or hear it. Maybe their only problem with the ERA is with technicalities like those people here are beating to death.
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This has nothing to do with those people.
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You have absolutely no idea about my feelings towards homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, and transgendered people . My objection within this thread is not with these people as such, but is with laws which are advanced and designed to subjugate an inalienable right of mankind to mutually agree in their business contracts and associations with each other. Did it ever dawn on you that the right I mention, a right which I believe is an inalienable right, ought to be freely exercised by all, regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation, etc? Tell me, would you take a slap at me as you have had I been arguing that heterosexuals are attempting to have a law passed which forbids homosexuals from refusing to hiring heterosexuals because of their sexual orientation? Do you really have a problem with a homosexual store owner wanting to only hire other homosexuals? Do you really have a problem with lesbian business owners wanting to be free to only hire other lesbians? Why do you have such a problem with people simply being left free to mutually agree in their business contracts and associations? What is the big freaken deal? Those who support the amendment in question have the same mentality as our smoke control freaks, who also seek to use the force of government to seize control over other people’s property for their own personal use and enjoyment, and, they cleverly disguise their motives as being a public health issue. Similarly, many who promote the ERA are also focusing on the property of others, and seek to use the force of government to preclude a business owner or property owner from rejecting an unwanted contract or business deal with a “protected class” created by the language of the amendment. Seems to me unlike other “governments” our governments, state and federal, were created to protect the inalienable rights of all individuals, so long as the exercise of such rights does not infringe upon the inalienable rights of another. Why do you have such a problem with people being free to mutually agree in their business contracts and associations? JWK Last edited by john w k : 04-21-2008 at 08:19 PM. |
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Do you honestly argue that a "No Jews Allowed" country club isn't infringing on the rights and freedoms of Jews? That government-enforced restrictive covenants to "not sell houses to non-whites, non-Christians, and gays" doesn't infringe on the rights of those people? Last edited by Michael Tree : 04-22-2008 at 10:12 AM. |
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These arguments are tired and quite boring to me. I am old enough to remember when I was living in Miami in 1977 the same "logic" to justify or condone a business person's right to discriminate against a group.
Stay with me and I'll explain it to you: If I am a Christian and I want to run a Christian-only " bed -n- breakfast" establishment that has five guest rooms and three paid employees (and these employees are required to be Christians) ... do I have a problem with that? NO! If I run a small gay bar and I employ two bartenders and two waiters, why not exempt me from hiring a heterosexual? If the same Christian built the largest and finest hotel in his city, a twenty-five story four star establishment with 400 rooms and three restaurants ... does he have a right to exclude all non-Christians, both as guests and as employees ... would I have a problem with that? YES! I am asked if I have a problem with a store owner who is gay hires only other gays and forbids emplyment to heterosexuals? If the store is a 2000 sq. ft. emporium with 20 employees in sales, shipping, office, etc capacities ... YES!!! There are qualified heterosexuals who need the job! Not so long in this country (not Nazi Germany) a Department Store in Harlem - of all places - refused to hire black employees. There were cities and towns all over America that would refuse lodging to Jews (didn't you ever see the movie "Gentleman's Agreement"?) No, if you are the manager of a department store you DO NOT have the right to exclude gay people because your "right to discriminate" is trumped by the gay person's "right to get employment". You DO NOT have the right to exclude an African American couple from your rental apartment building even if you and the other tenants want to keep the building 'all white'. The couple's right to have a place to live trumps your "right" to discriminate.
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