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KENfmt · #21 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quakersteve

I haven't heard that ELF has claimed responsibility for this. I wouldn't dismiss the idea that given the R.E. market falling apart that this would be a way to salvage a bad investment. Leave an ELF sign at the scene, be outta town, and collect the insurance.
It remains to be seen if they intend to rebuild or if ELF claims or denies it.
I'll wait for the FBI.

That's a whole lot of speculation. And completely unwarranted without knowing whether the property is even mortgaged or not.

BeckyJ · #22 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyaggie

Look, I'm not a member of PETA nor of ELF. How do you paint PETA in bad light based on their tax returns from 2000? Perhaps back in 1999-2000, ELF didn't engage in violent crimes. Do you know of it being otherwise? ELF is labeled a terrorist organization, and I bet that label didn't go into place by FBI until after 2000. If PETA supported them after they were labeled terrorist org, then you have a case against PETA.

From the FBI's 1999 Terrorism in the United States Report:

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Six terrorist incidents occurring in the United States in 1999 were attributed to an extremist movement known as the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). Combined, these attacks resulted in financial damages (primarily to medical research facilities) totaling more than three million dollars. Two acts of terrorism were attributed to a distinct, but increasingly related, movement known as the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). These attacks resulted in the complete destruction of an 8,000-square-foot office complex in Monmouth, Oregon, and one million dollars in damage to the Agricultural Hall at Michigan State University in East Lansing. Each of these ALF/ELF attacks remained under investigation at year’s end. Despite the significant property damage resulting from the attacks, none of these incidents resulted in human casualties (two of the ALF attacks led to the deaths of lab animals).

They were labeled a terror organization long before Sept. 11. They are not interested in education, they are interested in destruction. It is only a matter of time until they kill somebody.

Towelie · #23 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:04 PM

That is actually a great point, but you can't deny its suspicious especially where we are at politically right now. I am sure the Iraq war gets in the way of the "me me me me me me me me me me me me me" attention that ALF and ELF want. I bet they are scimming the news channels right now just praying Obama or Clinton make a comment about it. Kinda makes me want a burger. Off to McDonalds!!!

BeckyJ · #24 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:08 PM

And another twist to the whole story. Seems a jury began deliberations on Friday in the arson trial of an ELF member.

Towelie · #25 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeckyJ

It is only a matter of time until they kill somebody.

Here's a timeline of their events

http://www.answers.com/topic/timelin...-front-actions

I really want to know where they are getting their $. And I want to see a break down of PETA's newest tax return. Does anyone know where I can learn this info? PETA's breakdown of their finances from their website are EXTREMELY SHADY. Since PETA is tax exempt, can't I find their breakdown?

They can't just say 4 million for "membership developement" and our government doesn't ask questions can they? I get asked questions of a $20 reimbursement from work!!!

quakersteve · #26 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KENfmt

That's a whole lot of speculation. And completely unwarranted without knowing whether the property is even mortgaged or not.

I agree. And considering that ELF has no leadership, membership or spokesperson and that anyone can do whatever under the banner of ELF, leaving an ELF sign puts you in the ELF camp whether you're living in the trees or a $2 million mcmansion. Guilty!

AMonte · #27 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by quakersteve

I haven't heard that ELF has claimed responsibility for this. I wouldn't dismiss the idea that given the R.E. market falling apart that this would be a way to salvage a bad investment. Leave an ELF sign at the scene, be outta town, and collect the insurance. It remains to be seen if they intend to rebuild or if ELF claims or denies it.

I'll wait for the FBI.

These homes were built / owned by various builders, not just one. Each of the homes was Built Green rated (A Washington State thing in this case) and one was even 5-star...not the easiest thing in the world, and certainly not the cheapest. One home was supposedly ready for contract. It was a community that was used as the focus point for building "green" and wasn't exactly an obscure subdivision popping up in the middle of nowhere. There is even a mention out there that the developer of the site had a hard time dealing with an "environmental activist group".

While I know that kind of thing can happen, it seems like an incredible stretch to think that's the case here--that the builder did this themselves.

quakersteve · #28 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AMonte

These homes were built / owned by various builders, not just one. Each of the homes was Built Green rated (A Washington State thing in this case) and one was even 5-star...not the easiest thing in the world, and certainly not the cheapest. One home was supposedly ready for contract. It was a community that was used as the focus point for building "green" and wasn't exactly an obscure subdivision popping up in the middle of nowhere. There is even a mention out there that the developer of the site had a hard time dealing with an "environmental activist group".

While I know that kind of thing can happen, it seems like an incredible stretch to think that's the case here--that the builder did this themselves.

Good post. Point taken.

Tannhauser · #29 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyaggie

Religion is very personal, and I for one hate to attack other people's beliefs unless they attack or disparage mine.

But you have no problem attacking, or rather smearing the Catholic Church for a genocide that it had nothing to do with. Even a person with the most basic understanding of the Rwandan genocide knows that it was tribal and had no religious overtones whatsoever. Catholics, Protestants, and to a much lesser extent muslims were murdered on all sides by other “Catholics”, “Protestants” and muslims.
You bringing a totally extraneous factor like religion into this issue just shows that you are an anti-Catholic bigot.

phillyaggie · #30 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BeckyJ

From the FBI's 1999 Terrorism in the United States Report:

They were labeled a terror organization long before Sept. 11. They are not interested in education, they are interested in destruction. It is only a matter of time until they kill somebody.

So why the heck are you telling that to me?! Did I say they were anything other than goons?

I only had issue with the OP, who was calling the group stupid for setting ablaze some huge homes, based on carbon impact. I already noted how the actual use of such homes can have a bigger carbon impact than a mere short-lived fire would. I never disputed the fact that this group is some sort of terror-minded people indulging in illegal violence.