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Subject: It is interesting

Thought you'd find this interesting.

At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in
the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The
University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian
Republic" some 2,000 years prior.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes
for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations
always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage."

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent
Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million

Bush=143 million

Square miles of land won by:

Gore=580,000

Bush=2,2427,000

States won by:

Gore=19

Bush=29

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:

Gore=13.2

Bush=2.1
Professor Olson adds:

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned
by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory
encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living
off government welfare..."

Olson believes theU.S.is now somewhere between the "apathy" and
"complacency" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some
40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the
"governmental dependency" phase.
Pass this along.

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Evil unchecked grows. Evil Tolerated, poisens the entire system.

And in Philadelphia we're beyond that. The have not's have surpassed the have's and now control the government. Now we all pay for the whims of the poor and soon I will be moving to an island in the south pacific.

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Lynn Swann 06'

"Individualism is absent when other peoples' standards, not reality and reason, are ones primary guide."

The whims of the poor. Like when Zogby doesn't have a home computer and we consider opening a paypal account to donate to his cause.

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I never asked for or expected anything. But I'll take full advantage of things I dispise if the chance arises.

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Jason
Lynn Swann 06'

"Individualism is absent when other peoples' standards, not reality and reason, are ones primary guide."

CW, when speaking of "dependency on the goverment", why is it you make no mention of large businesses which receive huge goverment subsidies and large tax cuts?

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-George Orwell

Interesting point Dis. Whenever anyone mentions sponging off of government they cite the poor, who's piece of the pie is much smaller than big businesses' Breaks and giveaways for the rich far exceed the crumbs we throw at social problems and the stigma we heap on everybody who is poor whether it is their fault or not. In most cases it's not.

That's why FDR rocked.

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no FDR rocked because he taxed the hell out of middle and working class folks and gave it to poor people, oversaw the worst decade in american history, and then nationalized the ocuntry for war and still came out looking good in the history books! nobody said people were smart. the people that get screwed the most are small and medium sized business and middle/working taxpayers. the poor get their due and so do the rich. well, actually they both get someone else's due but hey, what's it matter.

Just wanted to chime in, but tax breaks and incentives for what you call 'the rich' end up turing into investments in new businesses, expanding businesses and often turn into more tax revenues. That is why most people don't complain about them. Also, the wealthy pay more in taxes than we do already. In addition, the so-called rich people that have combined household incomes of $100,000 or more end up suffering more than anyone. Sorry, but the arguments about taxing these so-called rich people who work hard and end-up getting more of an incentive not to work as hard, just don't make any sense.

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Steve, your argument is logical if the rich actually put the money back into the economy. It doesn't when they invest overseas and send their companies there or Mexico. It also doesn't work when they stick it in savings. A combined income of $100K is NOT rich, and I'm all for getting rid of the marriage penalty (that only is a penalty if two people earn about the same). People who earn more though have more tax shelters. They have a lot of things they can write off that the middle class and lower do not.

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