Good point!

What about the conservatives who are anti choice, but pro death penalty.

Is that anything like "jumbo shrimp"?

Blame mother nature for that, but men should still have equal rights. To say anything else is to be sexist!

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I'll agree with Sponge on that one when we start to carry the fetus for nine months too. In the mean time I'll leave it up to the women.

Exactly. Once you choose not to wear a condom, you lose your rights. It's my body, I'll decide. The day you can carry it in yours, amen.

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And Democrats who advocate freedom from government meddling in personal issues in the next breath will call for more government intervention in the business world. Libertarianism offers the best of both worlds: keep the government out of the bedroom and the boardroom.

Sorry, this has zilch to do with Roe v. Wade.

Quote: “in general, liberals slant towards pro-choice but i know a whole lot of liberals who are pro-life and on the other hand, many conservatives who are pro-choice.”

Well stated philsfan. I somewhat disagree that many conservatives are “pro-choice,” however I will not debate that as I know some exist.

Quote: “the fetus is just as much his as hers and he should have equal say in whatever decision is made.”

I disagree. How easy it is for men to state this opinion, as they are not the ones carrying a baby within their stomachs for nine months. The fact that it is the woman’s body that is connected to the fetus, and not the mans makes all the difference.

Quote: “And Democrats who advocate freedom from government meddling in personal issues in the next breath will call for more government intervention in the business world.”

First I must mention that I’m not a Democrat, but that’s neither here nor there. I simply was making an observation of what I view to be an inconsistency in conservative ideology in relation to this topic.

Second, the comparison you’ve presented may be over-simplified, in my opinion. Expecting a government to abstain from dictating to a woman what she can or can’t do with her own flesh and blood is what I feel one would expect in a nation that promotes freedom.

On the other hand, in a capitalist system, asking a government to oversee business practice (I feel) is not only reasonable, but needed. Without some regulation within a capitalist structure, corrupt practices such as those employed by Enron, Global Crossing, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson and others would be deemed legal custom, and would inevitably destroy the capitalist system. In addition, regulation on business is intended to ensure that the populace has food that is safe to eat, air that is safe to breathe, hospitals that are safe to attend, and a market that is free of tampering, etc. Would you prefer to eliminate the regulations enforced on these aforementioned industries? I do understand that regulation can be overused in some cases causing an undesired effect.

In my opinion, it is not detrimental to the general public, nor to the individual (who disagrees with the abortive practice), when an abortion is performed in a controlled environment. Eliminating regulation on business would be detrimental not only to the capitalist system, but to the individual and public at large. Herein lie’s the distinction I make within the comparison you offered.

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Well said. Keep government out of your personal business, but there is a place for government in promoting the common good.

The distinction is the right to privacy. One of those "fundamental rights".

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Isn't it funny that people think abortion should be illegal and a majority of insurance companies will not cover birth control pills. Yet the second a guy couldn't "get it up" a drug comes onto the market and insurance companies cover it with no questions asked?

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I hate this arguement. It's not an oxymoron. The difference is innocence. I baby is the closest thing to perfection. Pure and innocent. A criminal is a sum and worthy of nothing. I'm pro-death in all these cases, but I understand the Pro-life and Pro-capital punishment thing. Unlike you, I can sometimes understand the reasons of people I disagree with. Some of you ANTI-LIFE people don't make any sense.

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"Individualism is absent when other peoples' standards, not reality and reason, are ones primary guide."