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Old 06-13-2008, 06:53 PM
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I am sure the students at the Union trade schools had nothing better to do today. They are sent out to do this when ever they find out someone is doing work with non-union labor.

Bite me. I am fine with Unions, but people should be able to choose who they want doing the work. If I choose not to use Union labor, that is my right.
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Old 06-13-2008, 08:24 PM
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My bad. Anyway, I didn't see any unions protesting at Jake's just animals rights people.

http://www.ivyridgetrail.org/news.php
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Old 06-13-2008, 08:49 PM
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Just click on:
Boycott these Restaurants and you'll see.

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Old 06-13-2008, 09:16 PM
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I recant my previous post. If the protesters were there to prevent the torture of animals then I support them.

If it was a Union jerk off then bite me. As I did not see them myself I will be left to wonder.

To the people who were boycotting at Jake's, you might want to think about identifying yourself better.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:08 PM
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Old 06-14-2008, 07:58 PM
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Personally, I'd rather support a union than some left-wing PETA-type organization that is trying to get me to only eat tofurkey and garden burgers. I LOVE veal, and it's a shame I just don't like fois gras. Maybe I'll order it next time and take it home in a puppy bag. Hopefully, the bag will actually be made from a puppy.
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:18 PM
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I support the ban on foie-gras it is truly disgusting & cruel.
BUT I don't support the J.O. Unions...
Jakes should be able to hire who they want at there own business.

If its a government business or school than maybe yes to a union but NOT a small business like Jakes.

SHAME ON THE UNION and Jakes for serving foi-gras.
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I support the ban on foie-gras it is truly disgusting & cruel.

No more than any other animal meat production. If your talking about shoving a pipe down the throat of the duck and stuffing its liver, look up the biology of a duck.

1. A Duck's Throat Is Not the Same as Yours. Gavage is carried out by inserting a tube into a duck's throat for a few seconds a few times a day to feed it a specific amount of food. Opponents of foie gras get a lot of mileage out of anthropomorphizing the process, asking "How would you like it if someone shoved a tube down your throat?" The unspoken assumption in that argument is that a duck's throat and a human's throat are alike. The truth is that they are not. A duck's throat is naturally lined with a cornified epithelium, a material similar to that of the human fingernail. Moreover, their throats are flexible and expandable. In other words, the duck's throats are equipped to accommodate the tube; ours are not. Once it becomes clear that a duck's throat and a human's throat are nothing alike, the whole "how-would-you-like-it" argument doesn't really fly. Is the image a tube being inserted into a duck's throat visually disturbing? Sure it is; we're completely detached from how the meat we eat is processed. Personally, I would not want to float down a cold river on my belly in the middle of winter or sleep in a marsh. But that shouldn't be the measure as to whether it's cruel for a duck to do so.


And if your arguments against stuffing a liver,

2. The Livers Are Not Diseased. Another canard often posited by activists is that foie gras is actually a diseased liver. Dr. Daniel Guemene doesn't agree. And he?s no quack; Dr. Guemene is the world?s foremost authority on the physiological effects of tube feeding geese and ducks and his studies have been published in national and international peer-reviewed journals. According to Dr. Guemene, "[t]he tissue is not diseased, as the degenerative effects of necrosis and cirrhosis never occur." Moreover, the liver-fattening process is completely reversible "within two weeks after over feeding is interrupted." Again, ducks are not like humans. Unlike our livers, a duck's liver is genetically designed for gorging. And while foie gras production exploits this process to a degree that would not occur in the wild, Dr. Guemene notes that the genetic potential of a duck's liver would allow it to grow to over 800g, which is 250g larger than the average weight of a foie gras liver.

http://www.classicwines.com/articles...bout-Foie-Gras



If you find it unethical, thats your choice. But don't say you support banning a type of food just because you don't eat it when that steak or chicken everyone eats is just as crule.

Its amazing how much people would support bans on anything they don't do, but the second something they enjoy gets banned, they would raise hell.


I only wish someone didn't say this was a union protest, and told me it was animal rights protesters. I would have gone down and tore them a new A-Hole just like I did in my debate classes in college. Animal Rights people hate biological facts, but love to find pictures of dirty animals to make their points. Even Chicago realized how oppresive these people are.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...0,471640.story

Let people make their own decisions.

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Old 06-16-2008, 12:46 PM
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Did they not teach you to use Google in your debate class?

http://www.stopgavage.com/en/docs/foie-gras-INRA.pdf

The mortality rate for animals used in foie gras production can be found in the statistics published
each year by the foie gras industry.(16) Out of the number of palmipeds that are force-fed each year, it is common to find that more than a million birds die each year in France during force-feeding.(17)
A scientific report by the European Commission in 1998 (18) shows that the mortality rate of force-fed birds is 10 to 20 times higher than that of the same birds in standard rearing conditions.

16. Statistics from the RENAPALM program published by ITAVI
17. Detailed calculations can be found in Antoine Comiti, L’INRA au secours du foie gras (The INRA to the Rescue of Foie Gras), Éditions Sentience, Paris, 2006, pp. 237-239
18. The European Commission – Scientific Committee on Animal Health and Animal Welfare, Welfare Aspects of the Production of Foie Gras in Ducks and Geese, 16 December 1998 ; the increased mortality from force-feeding is analyzed on pp. 46 and 49,
http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scah/out17_en.html

In doing their "research", the industry shills eliminated any geese with physical injury to their throats from feeding, claiming they weren't typical and so shouldn't be considered.

Your "world's foremost authority" is a researcher for the INRA, the French Agriculture authority whose research is funded by CIFOG, the French Foie Gras Producers Association. That's like citing a Philip Morris scientist to argue that smoking is healthy.

And if you're going to cite an newspaper article, you might want to read it first. Chicago revoked their ban because Mayor Daley strong-armed it through City Council without allowing for debate and stood there watching and intimidating the council members. Sounds a lot like the third rate dictator still running America for the next six months.
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Old 06-16-2008, 01:20 PM
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One of the top phillyblogisms is "well, when I was in europe", and "well, in european restaurants they let you"...of course, these same yuppicrats say No to foie gras. Which is in Europe. In droves.

Personally, I hate the concept. Just as I hate the concept of transfats. Here's a simple thing to do. Don't eat it. Don't like it, don't eat it, problem solved.

The only time I've ever tried it was when the moronic protestors were outside ansill acting like I just dropped a deuce on their grandmother's head because I was enjoying some drinks...and then foie gras because of their behavior.

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Did they not teach you to use Google in your debate class?

http://www.stopgavage.com/en/docs/foie-gras-INRA.pdf

The mortality rate for animals used in foie gras production can be found in the statistics published
each year by the foie gras industry.(16) Out of the number of palmipeds that are force-fed each year, it is common to find that more than a million birds die each year in France during force-feeding.(17)
A scientific report by the European Commission in 1998 (18) shows that the mortality rate of force-fed birds is 10 to 20 times higher than that of the same birds in standard rearing conditions.

16. Statistics from the RENAPALM program published by ITAVI
17. Detailed calculations can be found in Antoine Comiti, L’INRA au secours du foie gras (The INRA to the Rescue of Foie Gras), Éditions Sentience, Paris, 2006, pp. 237-239
18. The European Commission – Scientific Committee on Animal Health and Animal Welfare, Welfare Aspects of the Production of Foie Gras in Ducks and Geese, 16 December 1998 ; the increased mortality from force-feeding is analyzed on pp. 46 and 49,
http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scah/out17_en.html

In doing their "research", the industry shills eliminated any geese with physical injury to their throats from feeding, claiming they weren't typical and so shouldn't be considered.

Your "world's foremost authority" is a researcher for the INRA, the French Agriculture authority whose research is funded by CIFOG, the French Foie Gras Producers Association. That's like citing a Philip Morris scientist to argue that smoking is healthy.

And if you're going to cite an newspaper article, you might want to read it first. Chicago revoked their ban because Mayor Daley strong-armed it through City Council without allowing for debate and stood there watching and intimidating the council members. Sounds a lot like the third rate dictator still running America for the next six months.
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