i dont think parking permit is the answer. i lived in CC and had permits for 2 areas and it never guarenteed a spot. Nor did it ever make it easier for me to find one. i only made me want to find a spot and leave my car there for as long as possible, probably making it more difficult for parking. Ownership of a car is not a right, nor is it a right of a homeower to occupy the space in front of their house. If parking was or is such a concern, then you should have made a purchase of a home with a garage.

All permits do is put money in the pocket of our already greedy PPA. I would like to see the money end up in manayunk/Rox

It seems funny to me that there are parks that are used semdomly, but yet we have a space problem for parking.

maybe the church needs to offer more spots for rent
maybe unused gravel lots should be turned into parking lots
maybe we could make sure construction crews dont leave equipment around taking up space.
maybe lots could offer monthly resident (with proof) discounts

during my stay in CC, there was an building that had its own parking. During off business hours, and weekends, the lot was fair game. If you ever left your car on a monday, it was towed promptly at 7. what if a similar business was convinced by MDC to extend a deal like that one. ?

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"... Ownership of a car is not a right, nor is it a right of a homeower to occupy the space in front of their house. If parking was or is such a concern, then you should have made a purchase of a home with a garage. " I wasn’t expecting complete comprehension from anyone reading posts on the fly, but, to clarify, I didn’t imply the need for a garage, thank you.

I totally agree with you that ownership is a privilege and so is parking on a public street! The homeowner with the cans in front of his home will actually bring his dog to the door for intimidation, if you attempt to move anything to park your own car.

I did say that permit parking would NOT solve all the problems, but it will definitely increase the odds in favor of the residents finding a spot.

I agree!

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Permit parking is a really, really, bad idea. Like most really, really bad ideas, it sounds great in theory but leads to total regret in reality.

In nearly every instance that permit parking has been instituted it has completely overwhelmed the streets surrounding the area that is permitted. As a result, whenever people to try and pass these permit parking initiatives there is an enormous, and often insurmmountable, wave of opposition from those left out of the permit zone.

Incidentally, for those in the zone - life doesn't really get all that much better because most areas are lax at enforcing the permits anyway.

In all honesty, difficulty parking in the city is just a fact of life. It's been "a pain in the ass to park" in the city since cars were invented to hear my grandparents and parents talk. Every city has same problem. Permits aren't gonna solve it. Moving to suburbs will.

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Keep in mind that there is a very specific reason why this particular area is being targeted for permit parking

1) To attempt to prevent the 5 PM - 2 AM bar goers from parking in the residential area. The further they have to park away, the further they have to walk and then all of a sudden, that $7 fee doesn't look that bad.

2) To attempt to clean out all the illegal renters / insurers (ie college kids)

I am all for the parking permit and I do believe it will go into effect very shortly

The young renters and bar-goers are not gonna pay $7 to park, they'll drive around for 20 minutes until they eventually grab a spot three blocks outside the zone and they'll still be at the bar in time for happy hour. But when the poor guy who lives outside the zone comes home from work at 6:30 he's gonna have to wind up parking on Ridge.

I'm telling you - it will be a trainwreck. Maybe not as bad as the limitations on restaurants ordinance was, but a trainwreck nonetheless.

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Seems to me that Manayunk should start by not allowing the trailer-park crowd to toss cones and chairs and all other manner of crap out in the street to "reserve" their own private parking space.

I lived in center city once and it was exactly as you describe it Count - I acutally had a permit but couldn't find a spot! On those nights I knew I was really in for a hike then because you definitely weren't finding anything within 3 blocks of the zone. Miserable.

Also, you're right - young people can't afford to pay $7 plus they've got free time so they'll drive in circles for 30 minutes if necessary.

It's a city for god's sake - parking's tough. If the solution were as easy as permits everybody would do it right? But they don't - you know why? BEcause it sucks.

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Seems to me that Manayunk should start by not allowing the trailer-park crowd to toss cones and chairs and all other manner of crap out in the street to "reserve" their own private parking space.

I lived in center city once and it was exactly as you describe it Count - I acutally had a permit but couldn't find a spot! On those nights I knew I was really in for a hike then because you definitely weren't finding anything within 3 blocks of the zone. Miserable.

Also, you're right - young people can't afford to pay $7 plus they've got free time so they'll drive in circles for 30 minutes if necessary.

It's a city for god's sake - parking's tough. If the solution were as easy as permits everybody would do it right? But they don't - you know why? BEcause it sucks.

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unfornatlely, we tend to think that it is only the illegal renters and bar goers that are the root of the problem. We seem to overwhelingly believe that stoping these people from coming into the 'hood will work toward easing parking for the residents.

There are families in Manayunk that are multi-car owners. There are cars that sit and not move. there are in effect No-parking restrictions on some streets that are unnessary. there are people that own lots and rarely use them for their cars... these and other conditions lead to the problem of parking

I guess I'm voicing my opinion because the revenue generated isnt going to find its way back to the streets, it will just barely cover the PPA workers assigned to the area, and will just add an annoying bureaucratic, waste of paper responsibilty to the residents of yunkville. Also, from expereince, once permit parking is in effect, there will always be a PPA staffer here, i have rarely seen PPA laxed in enforcing tix....Take a look at permit parking in an around Drexel....it hasnt helped there. parking is still tough, its just that now one must pay for it.

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As I said somewhere here before, I think the only way it will help is if you issue only one permit per home. Plenty of single-family homes in Roxborough (not the college-age renters) come with two or three cars or trucks. I'm sure the situation is similar in Manayunk.