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Old 02-11-2008, 02:42 PM
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Kling as in Kling Lindquist (now IIRC just Kling), one of the star firms of the "Philadelphia School" of the 1970s.
actually, KlingStubbins.
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I like this retro 1970s look and feel to the subway signage. Would like to see more of it..
And we shall. What you can't see on the signs is that below the letters is braille, so expect after all the new stations get makeovers, to see more and more of these new signs.
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Well, I'm all for better signage. There are many places in Suburban Station where you can stand without seeing any signs pointing to the ticket booth or -- more ominously -- an exit. (Which raises another question, since many of the exits are frequently locked. I'd hate to see what would happen if there were a fire down there.)
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Well, I'm all for better signage. There are many places in Suburban Station where you can stand without seeing any signs pointing to the ticket booth or -- more ominously -- an exit. (Which raises another question, since many of the exits are frequently locked. I'd hate to see what would happen if there were a fire down there.)
I had the same problem in the subway city hall station! (those two, suburban and city hall are linked, correct?). I'm glad i'm not the only one who ran into this. My friend and I thought we were going to be stuck down there forever, there was no SEPTA authorities to give direction. We kept going up sets of stairs and down hallways but couldn't find an exit. One spot had two signs for an exit:
One pointed --> This way- ->
When you went that -> way, there was an exit sign pointing
<--This way<--
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Better signage is a must, as is renovating some less attractive subway stations, i know there's a few on the BSL
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Old 02-29-2008, 02:49 AM
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As long as they have to put in Elevators at each of the BSL staton..it's going to be a long time before they are done. But, when the EL is done..I hope construction on the BSL picks up..
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I had the same problem in the subway city hall station! (those two, suburban and city hall are linked, correct?). I'm glad i'm not the only one who ran into this. My friend and I thought we were going to be stuck down there forever, there was no SEPTA authorities to give direction. We kept going up sets of stairs and down hallways but couldn't find an exit. One spot had two signs for an exit:
One pointed --> This way- ->
When you went that -> way, there was an exit sign pointing
<--This way<--
Oh, beloved septa

Better signage is a must, as is renovating some less attractive subway stations, i know there's a few on the BSL
I actually don't think that the 15th/City Hall/Suburban complex is that difficult to figure out, though better signage would go a long way. Actually, the most confused I've ever been in a transit station was Times Sq when it was being renovated and in Penn Station generally.
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Suburban Station is quite easy to navigate really when compared to Penn Station/Madison Sq Gardens or Times Sq. And I don't know about elevators in the city hall BSL, where was that mentioned? Making City Hall ADA compliant has long been something SEPTA and City Hall has avoided due to the EXRTREME expenses involved. I hope they rework City Hall, 11th St, 5th St and Spring Garden stations as those are in sore need of facelifts.
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I had the same problem in the subway city hall station! (those two, suburban and city hall are linked, correct?). I'm glad i'm not the only one who ran into this. My friend and I thought we were going to be stuck down there forever, there was no SEPTA authorities to give direction. We kept going up sets of stairs and down hallways but couldn't find an exit. One spot had two signs for an exit:
One pointed --> This way- ->
When you went that -> way, there was an exit sign pointing
<--This way<--
Oh, beloved septa

Better signage is a must, as is renovating some less attractive subway stations, i know there's a few on the BSL
I've seen those signs at several stations where SEPTA has closed one of two station entrances -- in particular, Spring Garden and Girard.

They are mounted on the sides of both the open and shuttered stairwells and read:

"EXIT this way ->
No exit this way"

I could see people getting confused easily by these signs. Better to simply put a gate at the base of the closed stairwells and signs OVER the stairs reading "This exit closed; use other exit".
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Personally, I think the smart stations are making some problems worse.

Conduit is growing like Kudzu all over the underground, strangling and disfiguring everything in its path.

Consider these problems with the new conduits and cable trays:
  • New pigeon roosts. Watch your head!
  • Instant grime shelves that will accumulate dirt.
  • The limited architectural character of the the stations is obscured.
  • Rampant visual clutter.
  • Utilitarian, rather than graceful lighting.

We know the underground realm can be elegant. See Suburban Station as a precedent. Sure, SEPTA may not believe that 15th St. Station can ever be as classy as Suburban Station, but it could be pretty close, if more attention was being paid.

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Personally, I think the smart stations are making some problems worse.

Conduit is growing like Kudzu all over the underground, strangling and disfiguring everything in its path.

Consider these problems with the new conduits and cable trays:
  • New pigeon roosts. Watch your head!
  • Instant grime shelves that will accumulate dirt.
  • The limited architectural character of the the stations is obscured.
  • Rampant visual clutter.
  • Utilitarian, rather than graceful lighting.
We know the underground realm can be elegant. See Suburban Station as a precedent. Sure, SEPTA may not believe that 15th St. Station can ever be as classy as Suburban Station, but it could be pretty close, if more attention was being paid.

Oh, I definitely hear an echo now.


All of the original 1907 Market Street subway stations, and many Broad Street Line stations as well, received facelifts between the late 1970s and mid-1980s, with 11th Street the last MFL station to get its makeover and Cecil B. Moore/Temple University and Olney the last Broad Street makeovers. In all cases, the rebuilds included suspended metal-slat ceilings with recessed lighting that gave the platforms a much cleaner look. (Cecil B. Moore got a stripped-down version of this.)

In the course of installing these new conduits and brighter, harsher light fixtures, most of these stations have been unmade-over. Gone are the slat ceilings and the recessed lighting, except at 11th, 5th and (ceilings only) 2d streets. Welcome back to the basement!
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