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Old 04-07-2008, 06:44 PM
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I'm no professional, but it's safe to assume that the home owner must assume that in the dark, a home invader is armed and is capable of deadly force, thus warranting the equal amount of force in response.

At least, that's how it's supposed to work.
exactly. quite different to approach it from the sunny side of hindsight, sitting nice and safe with no strange dOOd downstairs in your dark house.

and if you're a burglar, you gotta assume you're taking your life into your own hands if you break into an occupied house. What's that old adage about 'playing with fire'?
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:46 PM
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Is there any particular reason you had to be so rude in your response? Also, please refrain from assuming you know what "kind of person" I am. You have no idea.

...and as much as you and I probably agree that something needs to be done about gun control here in this city, advocating prison for some guy who shot a burglar in his house as an example of why their needs to be gun control is exactly the kind of stuff gun nuts use to refute arguments for greater gun control, etc. Like it or not.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:59 PM
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...and as much as you and I probably agree that something needs to be done about gun control here in this city, advocating prison for some guy who shot a burglar in his house as an example of why their needs to be gun control is exactly the kind of stuff gun nuts use to refute arguments for greater gun control, etc. Like it or not.
Please do show me where I said I thought the homeowner should do prison time! I'd really like to know.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:04 PM
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My Dad always told me, I hope you never have to shoot, but if you do, kill them. A dead person can't sue.

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Agreed... if the kid was armed.

Let's see if the kid doesn't sue the family now... assuming he survives.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:09 PM
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This guy breaks into your home, your going to sit there and just dial 911 and hope for the best? It's your home with you kids. I would do ANYTHING to protect my family in my home.

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Now someone might die - yes, obviously this burglar did something stupid and illegal and may have harmed the homeowner (or may not have!), but did the burglar deserve to be shot and possibly killed for it? No. Prison time? Absolutely. Dead? Uh, no.


When are people gonna wake up and get it?
Yes, people should wake up and take care of themselves in their homes.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:19 PM
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Thank you all for sharing your opinions!

I'm a person who believes in non-violence. I think that the availability guns is a huge part of the gun violence problem we see in American cities. And we do not see it in cities in developed countries that do not allow citizens to carry a gun.

To me it's that simple.

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Old 04-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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America is a very violent place because it is a part of our culture. We are a fierce nation. We are not like Europeans. The European experience of war is that it is a disaster which ruins their countries and kills millions of people. The American experience of war is that it is an effective way of accomplishing our goals. Read your history.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:28 PM
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I think that the availability guns is a huge part of the gun violence problem we see in American cities. And we do not see it in cities in developed countries that do not allow citizens to carry a gun.

To me it's that simple.

Thanks for listening.
With all due respect, you need to revisit crime statistics for those "more civilized" countries you keep referring to.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...1/205139.shtml

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=4210

Violent crime rates in the UK & Australia (both of which have very severe gun control laws) have surpassed the US. You are far more likely to be the victim of a home invasion or robbery/assault in the UK than in the US.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:38 PM
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This sounds like the narration for the US war propaganda films during WWII.

If you want to believe the Earth was created during the Wiemar Republic and only count everything past that point, and ignore the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Stalin and the Catholic Church... be my guest.

Oh yeah, there was this Civil War thingie I heard about which tore our country apart and took almost 100 years to completely heal up... did that happen here?

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Old 04-07-2008, 09:48 PM
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Why dont we all just play one round of "i declare war" to settle it once and for all.
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