That's your right to take that position, but if you do, I'd advise you not read up too much on the personal life of Scouting's founder, Sir Robert Baden-Powell. There's much in it to suggest that his interest in young men went beyond their moral elevation and exposure to the beneficial effects of communing with nature, even if he never acted on that interest.

It's relevant here because we've been arguing for most of this century that forcing homosexuals to repress their desires is actually less moral than allowing them to express them in much the same way heterosexuals do. It's certainly psychologically damaging, as the military psychologists who examined gay men targeted for expulsion from the armed forces' ranks during World War II discovered.

IMO, any moral problems that may be associated with homosexuality stem more from the fact that men are men, not that they are gay (Edited to add: And let us note that female homosexuality does not seem to provoke the same level or degree of revulsion in those men who object to the condition (or women, when they voice such objection, which is much less often)). Straight men behave equally badly, and that's why all these constraints have been thrown up around them; I would think that traditionalists might want to encourage those gay men who apparently yearn to be bound by those same constraints, only with same-sex partners. (Pardon my thread drift.)

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“Basically I figure guns are like gays: They seem a lot more sinister and threatening until you get to know a few; and once you have one in the house, you can get downright defensive about them.” --Theresa Neilson Hayden

It would be the same as saying I wouldnt let my child join the service because they allow gays....oh wait they dont.....but I know they are there. Even that question on my initial paperwork was crossed out with a black marker...good ol "dont ask dont tell.."

So your also saying I shoulnt let my kids attend church since as we all know Catholic priests have a tendency to be somewhat "favorable" of boys?

Dont read to much into it right?

The fact is all of a sudden the city came up with this BS...why not 40 years ago? Oh thats right...because being gay wasnt acceptable 40 years ago.

Well IMO its still not acceptable but its a free country.

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War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today. ~John F. Kennedy

Boy Scouts File Federal Lawsuit Over Dispute with City of Philadelphia

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War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today. ~John F. Kennedy

Integration wasn't acceptable 40 years ago. I suppose you feel that full citizenship rights for African Americans is just more politically correct BS.

Would it be OK for the Scouts to discriminate on the basis of race? Religion? National origin? Should they still get free rent in order to operate their discriminatory organization?

Apparently, you don't appreciate that this discussion is about civil rights. Unless you are discriminated against, discrimination doesn't bother you. That is a shame.

Civil rights over the protection of our children....I think ill go with our children over someones rights....after all they want to trample my rights as a gun owner to protect the general populace. Sounds somewhat similar dont you think?

So if they paid the 200K this would be fine then or would NUTter still cry foul?

Maybe you should read about the federal lawsuit the Scouts just filed against the city.

NUTner isnt doing to well so far...creating illegal gun laws etc....so how do you think this will hold up in court?

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War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today. ~John F. Kennedy

I'm confused? How are you going with the children if you are discriminating against Gays? Or is it Gay Young Men that bother you? Do you think that they should be discriminated against? And .................Nutter is doing a fine job so far............

If the Cradle of Liberty Council doesn't want to comply with the laws then let them pay full rent. It's as simple as that. Why should our tax dollars go to discount an organization that discriminates?

Which is why kids still don't know how to have safe sex properly...

THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO HAVE SEX!!!



Protection of our children by using outdated values of another time of a people who left the their origin country due to differing views of values.


So the solution is: move to Mars and start the puritan values all over again...



I am still in amazement that America is closer to Islam when it comes to "keeping values the way they were given to us, and they never change because the work" then we would like to admit.

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They should comply and pay full rent. I was a scout and loved it, but they are on pretty shaky ground.

I agree the City's gun laws are not going to stand up in court against the Uniform Firearms Act and are essentially there as a political effort (essentially lobbying for action in Harrisburg with court cases to turn into show pieces for the media).

The Scouts are doing the same thing with this though and have even less of a legal leg to stand on Access to public facilities (You KSS yahoos can pull a permit to have a rally in the park) is not the same as taxpayer funded exclusive use of city-owned land (KSS can't build an office building in the middle Fairmount ParK). The Scouts are wasting money that could go to new offices elsewhere are for actual Scout activity.

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Are you kidding me - they're not supposed to have sex? There is a lot that they are not supposed to do - doesn't mean that they don't do it. What planet are you from.