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Old 05-16-2008, 03:35 PM
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By the way, I posted the preceding for folks who foolishly say--

1. "This can't happen."
2. "The thugs are makin' it up."
3. " Cops don't lie, only criminals do."
3. "This is only about the black community whining."

Also, on a side note, should we just give cops absolute judegment to do what they feel is necessary to reduce crime?
Call me foolish, I'm sure it won't be the 1st time but what would be your "expert" explanation/opinion be for 3 witnesses not showing up in court today?
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:46 PM
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Call me foolish, I'm sure it won't be the 1st time but what would be your "expert" explanation/opinion be for 3 witnesses not showing up in court today?
I don't know why these witnesses did not show up.

Can you give your opinion as to why federal judges are wary of cops' testimony? Do you think that cops ever lie in order to mold and shape the truth?
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Old 05-16-2008, 04:12 PM
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Ok. Let me use your argument.

Do you actually know what it's like to be a black male, in urban America?

-Poor public education
-Substandard health care
-Driving while black or walking while black in the wrong department store
-Not offered the same opportunities, given their skin color
-Greeted with low expectations
-Expected to fail
-Type cast as athlete and/or entertainer
-Told that he's an elitist because he attended Harvard Law?

So, should I excuse the black men who sell drugs and use guns illegally?

You mention nothing about the consequences, Mr. Consequences, for doing wrong or breaking the law? Or, are cops above the law?

You act as though becaus their cops it does not matter. Guess what? In America, it matters!
Unfortunately, in America these days the the maxim of Thucydides has become gospel more and more: the strong do as they can, and the weak suffer as they must.
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This certainly is an interesting change of story, as at first they were pretty adamant there was a 4th person. Therefore it doesn't bode very well for the police at this time. However, that doesn't mean the 3 are innocent, or were not involved in some capacity. As alot have stated, not all the facts are out. Remember the Duke Lacrosse case a few years ago? I'm sure there were a few turns in events that made people feel they were guilty. As it later turned out, the only thing they were guilty of was ordering a prostitute, then when the selected girl arrived, they basically told her to get lost (probably for not so ethical reasons, however they hired a prostitute so there ethical standards were not so high at that point in their life anyway) & went out to the bars.

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There are two sides to every story.
And now, the police change their story.... this doesn't bode well for the new administration...

And no gun was recovered. No evidence on the young men, just a lot of specualation and guessing games.

BUT, I know those guys didn't shoot themselves....
This just reeks of poor police work.

How can you expect a jury to not find reasonable doubt when your story isn't consistent?

Commissioner Ramsey: This is not a good way to start off.
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Commissioner Ramsey: This is not a good way to start off.
Arent crime numbers down across the board vs 07?
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Arent crime numbers down across the board vs 07?
Agreed... but people could care less about the "petty crimes".. it's the significant ones (i.e. murder, etc) that get all the press.

Perception is so important. People will only remember that these surveillance cops lied and changed their story.

Like Wilson Goode...what do most people relate him to? MOVE.
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Arent crime numbers down across the board vs 07?
It's May...we have not hit the summer months and the tough holiday months...
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Agreed... but people could care less about the "petty crimes".. it's the significant ones (i.e. murder, etc) that get all the press.

Perception is so important. People will only remember that these surveillance cops lied and changed their story.

Like Wilson Goode...what do most people relate him to? MOVE.

YOU are saying they lied. They haven't necessarily lied, just amended the facts, which isn't the same as lying. There have been numerous studies and experiments to show what people remember and don't remember immediately after an event occurs. MOST people remember little. People whose job it is to remember, tend to be more accurate, but details can come back in fits and starts. I have seen this happen, and it has happened to me. I have a rather good memory, but it becomes a little better with the perspective of just a little time and distance to ruminate and reflect rather than just spew forth in the immediate excitement after something happens.

But the bottom line here is, YOU were not there, YOU really don't know how you would react in similar circumstances, and yet YOU LOVE to make snap judgments and criticisms despite the fact YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO OR HOW YOU WOULD REACT, DESPITE A LITTLE TRAINING.

Why don't you sit back, drink some chamomile tea, put your feet up, and wait for the trier of facts to decide what happens to this case next?
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It's May...we have not hit the summer months and the tough holiday months...
Year to date, the numbers are down. (from murder to namecalling) Right?
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