You are aware that over 90% of firearm homicides are done by illegally-owned guns, and by taking guns away from honest citizens looking to protect themselves, you're just going to increase the homicide rate by taking away the best method of protecting one's self from a psycho breaking into your house with a gun?

I can see reasonable restrictions, like assault rifles, or one gun a month. But taking them away all together will just ensure that the criminals are the only ones armed. Am I supposed to protect my family from some thug carrying a 9mm by using one of my knives?

No,.. you can't use a knife either, it'll be confiscated, and no, you can't use a baseball bat, broomstick, or the kitchen frying pan.
You also cannot use any racial slurs or cursewords against the attacker, because later on in court he'll use them to make you look like a mean man.
You must remain a law-abiding decent citizen, upstanding and civilized, even while the psycho guns down your family, because there are laws protecting people with disabilities.

Seriously, this babble over gun control has past it's prime, and is nothing more than a tired, boring subject.
The government authorities and the courts must know by now that if law-abiding decent citizens are threatened with loss of self-protection in this crazy world, they'll lash out and all hell will break loose. People have long "had enough" of all this insanity, as well as having to listen to daily recounts of some criminal activity.

As I, and others have mentioned before, the root problem is what needs to be addressed. It's rather obvious to anyone with a brain what needs to be focused on. Criminals are walking the streets with long lists of "priors" because of weak and flawed laws, and they're just ticking time bombs in society.

In my opinion, the government agencies responsible for these dumb mistakes should be held responsible, then work down the ladder to clean up the mess cultured from years of stupidity.

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Despite the best efforts of the pro-gun lobby to set up a straw man, very few people actually want to outlaw guns.

Look at the city's recent proposals - registration, requirement to report lost or stolen guns, restriction to 1 purchase per month. Nothing in there about banning all guns everywhere.

The movement to ban firearms is easily the most ridiculous and uninformed argument that liberal America is trying make.

Aside from the fact that a ban on hand guns is unconstitutional, Here's why a ban on guns absolutely will not work:

1) It's been attempted before and there was no decrease in violent crime where it was implemented. Chicago, Washington DC, and New York have had a ban on handguns for years. New York is the only city that actually saw a decrease in violent crime after the ban. However, the size of the NYC police force was also increased at that same time. So any decrease in crime was probably due to the increase in police presence. DC has been and continues to be a war zone despite the ban on guns. Chicago had 38 shootings in one weekend this past month. Need I say more?

2) The poeple using guns for crime are not buying those guns legally. So any new, tougher laws against gun ownership will not effect the mind set of a criminal in any way. They will still buy guns illegally. And the will use them agaisnt law abiding citizens who are most certainly un-armed.

3) We only need to look to prohibition in the 1920's and the war on drugs today. It's obvious that banning smething that is widely used is almost impossible to enforce. It costs billions of dollars to make this worthless attempt at enforcement.

4) A ban on hand guns would just create a whole new black market infastructure. For example, the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's virtually built organized crime.

Now to address the small issue of the constitution...Our founding fathers included the right to bear arms in the constitution so that citizens would always have the ability to rise up against an overly oppressive government. There was a reason that Hitler disarmed the citizens of Germany. He wanted to make sure that it would be very difficult to overthrow him. I really don't think we want to look to Hitler as the model for effective government.

Nope, never heard that argument before. Never. I'm converted!

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---Shosh

According to "The Straight Dope" (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlergun.html), Hitler passed no new gun laws when he came to power in 1933. The Nazis merely continued the gun-registration laws previously passed by the Weimar government, and intended to disarm Nazis and Communists.

It's also worth noting that the Nazis were voted into power. Having a gun won't do much for you when your neighbors are voting for a whackjob, (said the Kerry voter).

BTW, ADX, did you notice the earlier post in which "gone down south" pointed out that no gun ban has been proposed?

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"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterton

These are Nutter's new laws apparently:

http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008...hia-gun-bills/

I could see banning automatic weapons. I mean, do you really need an M-4 or AK-47 to protect yourself from the average idiot who will most likely be carrying a handgun of some sort? A nationwide ban? No. Citywide ban? Yes. People in Philly have proven themselves to be animals who can't be trusted with these kinds of weapons. Even if someone owns it legally and has no intent of being a moron with it, what's to stop their thugged-out kid from stealing it and "poppin' a cap in yo azz"? Automatic weapons aren't a necessity to protect yourself.

I can also agree with limiting gun purchases to 1 gun a month per person. Why do you need to buy multiple guns in such a short time?

But this talk of being prohibited from owning a gun if you're even accused of a crime is bullshit.

You tell me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYnJi...eature=related

An M4 wouldn't be enough. I want an M4 and several friends with M4s. A few M1014 shotguns wouldn't be a bad idea either. You can keep the POS AKs.

Oh, and I live in philly and I can be trusted with those kinds of weapons.

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– Brigadier General Julius C. Holmes
Allied Forces Headquarters
4 March 1943

What talk? Where? By whom?

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"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." G.K. Chesterton

This is true in Britain today.

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Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis