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Old 05-06-2008, 09:32 PM
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Historically, very few if any AA folks here on PB are quick to call racism. Anyone who reads this forum knows this. Why try to create a racial divide?
Because there will be people who will- whether on this forum or not- suggest such a thing. It's a variabble that will be hard to ignore.

I mean, it's obvious that people see things differently; to ignore that is unjust. I'm not saying for one bit that this hints racism, but there will be people that will conclude that and fact, feel me?
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I mean, it's obvious that people see things differently; to ighnore that is unjust. I'm not saying for one bit that this hints racsim, but there will be people that will conclude that and fact, feel me?
I totallly agree, but lets let that happen on the street, not on PB.
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If the ciops would have all came out with guns drawn, this wouldn't have happened.

In a situatuion like this, adrenlaine id rushing (from oth sides).... ever get stopped buy a cop and it takes you forever to find that lic, reg and ins?

These guys are hearing directives from every conceivable angle... what are you supposed to do.. HANDS UP, SHUT THE CAR OFF, GET OUT, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, OPEN THE DOOR, HANDS UP, OPEN THE DOOR, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS...LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, EXIT THE VEHICLE, OPNE THE DOOR, HANDS UP... HANDS UP...OPEN THE DOOR...

It get s a little chaotic....

I mean, come on..the police commissioner even said that that force appeared a little excessive....... and he's an expert.

I am just mad that protocall was broken. Do I think they were connected in some sort of way? perhaps. But I just kow how some uneducated people will think.

Anyway, it's painfully obvious that our boys in blue need additional training for situations like this.

Question: are cop cars equipped with a loud speaker device?

Please say they aren't.

If the cops would have come with guns drawn? WTF do you think they did? You stop the vehicle, put your hands up where everyone can see them, no sudden moves, and get out of the car.


You're such a smart guy, what additional training do they need? MORE sensitivity training? How about Mom, who whined on tv about how they shouldn't do that to a 'teenager', knows where the hell her teenager is at night, instead of him being a suspect in a shooting of three other people! Stop making apologies. Read the NYT article about the doctor in Chicago who is treating violence epidemiologically, and see if you can't be more instrumental in that way, instead of trying to stir the pot.

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I'm just saying what some people are going to say, that's all. I've already heard that already. Not saying it's right, but it will definitly be something that you'll hear in the next few weeks about this case.

And you know what, who cares? Really, at this point, who cares. This violence is a nasty virus that is spreading rapidly and needs to be contained in some way. It may actually be more helpful if people would be less inclined to throw the "R" word around, since it is far less about the "R" than it is about a problem.
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I totallly agree, but lets let that happen on the street, not on PB.
Oh Lawd!!!

That's why i really love to dialougue with you guys and gals on here.... it definitly makes my day.
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Oh Lawd!!!

That's why i really love to dialougue with you guys and gals on here.... it definitly makes my day.
Hey if you had to delete blatantly racist BS posts almost every day, your outlook would change
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Hey if you had to delete blatantly racist BS posts almost every day, your outlook would change
I wouldn't want your job any day of the year...
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"We do not resort to the kind of behavior that you saw on that tape. We are not going to rush to judgment," Ramsey said (in a statement).

"On the surface, it certaintly does not look good in (terms of the amount of force used)....but we don't want to rush to judgement; we wanna look at the video.".... Ramsey's press conference.

It's evident that some people will see it differently...that's all I'm saying.

So when should we expect to hear from the Rev. Sharpton and his crew to come down to Philly to get da people all hyped up?
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It's hard to tell if they were actually resisting; but it was easy as hell to see that they were geting the BS stomped, kicked, punched out of them. Can't deny that.
It is tough to tell whether they were resisting; but I've watched the video a couple of times, and it appears as though it took the cops a couple of efforts to pull each of the individuals out of the car and that at least two of them continued to struggle while being pulled out. Does that justify kicking them repeatedly? It would be easy for me (and the rest of us) to say, "no". But we're not in the position of making the split-second decision about whether a suspect poses an immediate threat or not. People forget how quickly officers must make decisions and how quickly they must act once the decision's been made.

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It get s a little chaotic....
Very true. And it's important to think about this from the cops' perspective as well.

I suppose I'm in agreement with a number of the other posters in cutting the police some slack in light of recent events. If that makes me a bad person, I'm willing to deal with that guilt.

At some point, the law-abiding citizens of this city need to find a way of making clear that criminal laws are not [EDIT: meant to be] obeyed solely by victims. Is putative police brutality an effective way of sending that message? Of course not. But as between spending my energy defending criminal suspects and defending criminal victims, I'm going to pour my energies more into the latter. After all, at least criminal suspects have some control over their fate (i.e., don't commit any crimes and, if you are suspected of having done so, don't resist being arrested); victims are often not so lucky.
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Fox started showing that late last night or early this morning. Both mothers were interviewed for the 5PM newscast. One said: "how can you do that to a teenager?" Uhh, reality check Mom..."WTF was your 'teenager' doing in a car that was just involved in shooting three others?" I think a fair number of people aren't too upset about this, and might want to get a kick in themselves out of sheer frustration.
The car shot three others?

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The car shot three others?


One or both of us needs to step away from the computers.

Carload of PEOPLE involved in a shooting.

Better?
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