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Old 05-06-2008, 08:03 PM
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Bullsheet. They got subdued for all of 28 seconds, if that. Most of that video footage was of the examination of the vehicle, and then placing at least one of them in a RPC. You could see that the first one in the police car was still mouthing off, and he didn't even get his head accidentally banged against the car. Chill out dude, you have no idea what really happened since there was no sound to accompany the video, and furthermore, you can't make out all of the activity in the clearest of detail.

But sure, go on and make apologies for pisspoor behavior on the part of suspects.
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Rodney King DID have it rough, this is nothing compared to that, not even close! I'm sorry, they couldn't get cuffs on the perps, therefore, yes, they were resisting! On the passenger side, a cop repeadetly knocked on the door and no one opened, a cop tells you to get out, you get out, plain and simple. Like I said, it may have been a kick or two more than needed, but thats about it. Oh well, 3 cops died in 2 years, take no chances with suspects in a shooting. If they would have lied down and put hands on their head like I'm sure they were instructed to, it would have ended much sooner... oh yeah, running from the Police to begin with is a crime, so guns or no guns, the cops had every right to think they were up to no good when they attempted to allude the cops.
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Man.... I have to say, they really beat the crap out of these guys. Excessive? I think so....

Philadelphia Police Beating

Although I know this happened on the heels of Officer Liczbinski's murder, there is absolutely NO excuse for this; I believe there are proper procedures in place when addressing a 'suspected" gun shooter. They resisted? Really... 18-20 cops and they resisted?

Here's my question: if they believed these guys were indeed involved with a shooting, why didn't they approach the car more cautiously instead of direct and full of rage? I saw maybe one or 2 out of the 18+ approach the car w/ caution.

I mean, if I suspected these guys of shooting someone, I would NOT just run up on them like that. I would definitly proceed w/ caution.

BTW... the police recovered ZERO guns.

hmmmmm.. something sounds fishy. I hope the new police commissioner does a thorough investigation.

Man.. I thought Rodney King had it rough.

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Old 05-06-2008, 08:18 PM
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It's hard to tell if they were actually resisting; but it was easy as hell to see that they were geting the BS stomped, kicked, punched out of them. Can't deny that.

So..people are going under the assumption that these men actually deserved it... which may be try.

But it's hard to justify a beating like that when not one weapon was recovered.

And who said they (the 3 men in the car) shot at someone? There was a perp that did shoot and shells were recoverfed (15) at the scene, but he took off running; just because they were in the vincinty doesn't mean they were actually involved.

This is gonna be a good one here because people are going to start throwing around the vicious "R" word because, IMO, it looks as though a large percentage of cops doing the beating were white. SO I know a large pecentage of AA will attribute the beating to the death of the officer...a retaliation beating of some sort.

I'm just posing the questions, that's all....
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Yes it was, as the cops like to call it a Rodney King dance....LOL Oh Yes, as I remember the cops???? NOT GUILTY!!!!
But I remember too... the taxpayers had to cough up the MONEY!!

So in the end, who actually won? A lengthy trial (costing thousands of taxpayers dollars) and a civil suit (which also cost the taxpayers dollars)...

The taxpayers loose.
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It's hard to tell if they were actually resisting; but it was easy as hell to see that they were geting the BS stomped, kicked, punched out of them. Can't deny that.

So..people are going under the assumption that these men actually deserved it... which may be try.

But it's hard to justify a beating like that when not one weapon was recovered.

And who said they (the 3 men in the car) shot at someone? There was a perp that did shoot and shells were recoverfed (15) at the scene, but he took off running; just because they were in the vincinty doesn't mean they were actually involved.

This is gonna be a good one here because people are going to start throwing around the vicious "R" word because, IMO, it looks as though a large percentage of cops doing the beating were white. SO I know a large pecentage of AA will attribute the beating to the death of the officer...a retaliation beating of some sort.

I'm just posing the questions, that's all....

Horseshit, you can't really tell what the race of the police officers is...the camera is just too far away for you to really tell, but go on and start throwing that around, make it strictly about race, and not about the fact that the suspects in the car did NOT comply.
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Historically, very few if any AA folks here on PB are quick to call racism. Anyone who reads this forum knows this. Why try to create a racial divide?

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Rodney King DID have it rough, this is nothing compared to that, not even close! I'm sorry, they couldn't get cuffs on the perps, therefore, yes, they were resisting! On the passenger side, a cop repeadetly knocked on the door and no one opened, a cop tells you to get out, you get out, plain and simple. Like I said, it may have been a kick or two more than needed, but thats about it. Oh well, 3 cops died in 2 years, take no chances with suspects in a shooting. If they would have lied down and put hands on their head like I'm sure they were instructed to, it would have ended much sooner... oh yeah, running from the Police to begin with is a crime, so guns or no guns, the cops had every right to think they were up to no good when they attempted to allude the cops.
If the cops would have all came out with guns drawn, this wouldn't have happened.

In a situatuion like this, adrenlaine is rushing (from both sides).... ever get stopped buy a cop and it takes you forever to find that lic, reg and ins?

These guys are hearing directives from every conceivable angle... what are you supposed to do.. HANDS UP, SHUT THE CAR OFF, GET OUT, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, OPEN THE DOOR, HANDS UP, OPEN THE DOOR, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS...LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, EXIT THE VEHICLE, OPNE THE DOOR, HANDS UP... HANDS UP...OPEN THE DOOR...(from 10 + voices)

It get s a little chaotic....

I mean, come on..the police commissioner even said that that force appeared a little excessive....... and he's an expert.

I am just mad that protocall was broken. Even ramsey thinks this is the case. Do I think they were connected in some sort of way? Perhaps. But I just know how some uneducated people will think......

Anyway, it's painfully obvious that our boys in blue (black white, hispanic, etc) ALL need additional training for situations like this.

Question: are cop cars equipped with a loud speaker device?

Please say they aren't.
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Horseshit, you can't really tell what the race of the police officers is...the camera is just too far away for you to really tell, but go on and start throwing that around, make it strictly about race, and not about the fact that the suspects in the car did NOT comply.
I'm just saying what some people are going to say, that's all. I've already heard that already. Not saying it's right, but it will definitly be something that you'll hear in the next few weeks about this case.
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