Cop Beating - Page 24 - PhillyBlog

Mr. Brightside · #**231** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

What a cluster****! Half of the posters in this thread take it for grated that cops potentially put their life in danger every time they pull over a suspect. The other half seem to think that the cops can never do any wrong.

Aye carumba!

BUMP BUMP BUMP

Might I suggest at this point that we all just shut up and see what the DA and PPD Internal Affairs do with the evidence they have.

BMP02 · #**232** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zur

You're calling us naive and yet you don't think Fox ket running this until it stuck nationally?

News works on ratings...not on if it's good for the city or it's population.

and I've been abused by cops...and I deserved it every time it happened.

and these assholes deserved it too...they are alive aren't they.

No..there job is to report the news. They were not the only network that rtan it.

Wonder why ABC Nightly news ran with it as well?

Again, it's their duty to report the news.

I guess they should have shown it once, equivalent to a tree falling into a house because of bad weather.

So now, it's out there..... and there is a segment of the population that believe something was wrong- eevn our esteemed mayor and glorified police chief admitted the same.

So... can somebody tell me that progressive Mayor Nutter and new Police Chief Ramsey (especially Ramsey, a well-respected police chief) that they were wrong in their assessment and negligent with their comments?

I am waiting....

drewrob23 · #**233** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BMP02

This is why some people on this board are sooo naive; things like this cannot be swept under the rug. This has been going on for a long time with the urban areas of America.... Why does it have to take a news station to capture live footgae of a police officer beating to believe that this type of reckless disregard for protocall and the law, by police officers, occurs in da hood?
I have faced ignorant, disrespectful police in my lifetime, so i KNOW why some people feel defensive whn they say " just do as you're told bu the cops"..... it's not always that easy because there approach and demeanor isn't always pleasant.

Imangine if you were harrassed ans singles iout for no apparent reason? It happened to me a few times...so imagine it happening to a large number of urban city folks in da hood? It's not brainer to see why there is a large disconnect and trust factor with the police.

So when an incident like this happens, the conservatives for rarely deal with situations like these argue, "they deserved it", or "thery should have listen to their orders", or.."it serves them right; THEY took a police officer's life, so its UNDERSTANDABLE".

Come on.. I warned people on herE that this could blow up and it's going too..... this is only the beginning.

Man.....I'm not defending these guys, but it's obvious something wasn't right. But you get all of these people talkimng like- they deserved it, etc. They didn't find any weapons on any of the men in that car. No gun powder residue- nothing.

IMO, I think the police is using them as a scapegoat to get to the actual shooter and the 3 suspects won't snitch. So, they give them an enormous bail and make them sweat until one of them breaks with the ORIGINAL AND ONLY GUNMAN that was shooting that day, understand?

BTW.....wait until the Sharpton brigade arrives...and they are going to come...TRUST ME!!

We also have to remember that historically, black people have always been under the boot of the law in this country. It has always been maim first and question later. Usually later never came. I really think that within the culture of police, they fear that black people are more dangerous, so more drastic measures must be used. This can be seen in everyday life when people back away from you in fear or clutch their purse.

BMP02 · #**234** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:54 PM

"Law enforcement and community leaders agree that simply reducing the nation's crime rate cannot be the only barometer of police success.

The means used to accomplish crime reduction must be as important as the results themselves. The success of crime reduction is diminished if community trust declines as well. Crime reduction strategies must be consistent with democratic principles. The two are not mutually exclusive. The end does not justify the means.

As community leaders and law enforcement professionals, we will not tolerate inequity in our departments, or in the treatment of our citizens. We will not tolerate the use of excessive force or discrimination in any form."

Thomas C. Frazier
President, Police Executive Research Forum (PERF)
& Commissioner of Police, Baltimore, Maryland
April 8, 1999

Police Use of Excessive Force

BMP02 · #**235** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zur

Cops beat up scum

WRONG!!!!

An officer's duty is to ARREST scum, NOT beat them.

This mindset has to change.

seand · #**236** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 08:00 PM

There are some flatly counter factual claims in this thread. The beatings in this video were not professional or appropriate police conduct and a commanding officer should have intervened sooner from what I can see from that video. The police seargent who should have intervened, failed to and he will possibly face some disciplinary action - which is entirely appropriate.

Nutter has steered an entirely appropriate line through this, far better than a lot of the wannabe knuckledraggers in this thread have been doing, as far as I see.

That said as zur said "they are still walking around aren't they?" was not entirely wrong. That was better than was intended for the 3 shooting victims the suspects were likely involved in shooting at just previous to the incident captured in the video. The occupants of that car were directly observed leaving a group "drive-by" style shooting (OK the shooter came with the guys in the car and got out and shot - but still). They were very happy to put others, including innocent passersby and kids inside nearby houses, lives at risk over a B.S. drug turf war. They had just shown a wanton disregard for the value of human life so while this police beating is unappropriate, the cops clearly showed the perps in this instance a lot more humanity than these guys had just shown to the rest of their community.

On top of all of that, I just want to urge everyone to take a deep breath and step back. You are all yelling at each other about how you percieve others to percieve an event which is still under investiation and which I, for one, have every confidence will be handled appropriately by Mayor Nutter and Police Commissioner Ramsey.

'nuff said.

BMP02 · #**237** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by random

OK, you're right that it didn't look good, but that's not illegal in and of itself. I'd ignore the mayor -- he's a politician, and the P/C started out cautioning everyone to wait until all hte facts are in. He did say that it would of course be investigated carefully to bring out the facts beyond sensationalized news footage.

You're also right that nobody took a swing at the cops. The danger to cops isn't getting punched. Most grown men can take a punch and cops are no exception. The danger is that as the suspect lies on the ground with his arms crunched near his shoulders, refusing to allow officers to bring them behind his back and be cuffed, he is trying to gain access to weapons he may have concealed on him and use them. If you've never seen a demonstration as to where knives and guns can be well hidden on a person but still within easy reach, I'll try to dig up the video links.

So the cops have this guy on the ground, presumed to be dangerous, and he refuses to relax his arms and be cuffed. In that situation, I'd be reasonable in believing that he might be trying to get to weapons. He won't relax his arms. What do assisting officers do to help the guys trying to control his arms and get the suspect to comply? They inflict pain. That's it. There's no magic kung fu mind control the cops learn. There are apparently better ways to inflict pain than stomping and beating, but stomping and beating work pretty well.

That's really all I'm saying. I still think what they did was reasonable because it appears to me that once the suspects stopped resisting, the cuffs were on and the suspects secured, they stopped. That's what we want from cops. They weren't beating these guys for no reason, they were beating them to get them to comply and once they complied the beating stopped.

You are free to disagree but I'd like to know why. If you had ahold of the arm of some guy, he made his arm rigid and struggled to keep control of it, and if he squirmed how he wanted to he might grab, say, a knife hidden in his shirt and slice you pretty good with it, maybe even kill you, what would you want the other guys there helping you to do? Like I said, if it were me, stomping on the guy's head to make him comply might be among those things I'd want them to do. What would you do?

I respect your argument. But I have to disagree..

When i see cops making beelines to the suspect already in custody, face down with cops mounted on him....why the need for extra kicks? Did they see soemthing that the other 5 officers didn't, or was it a mere attempt to 'get one in' on the bad guys?

BMP02 · #**238** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seand

There are some flatly counter factual claims in this thread. The beatings in this video go on for a good 3 or 4 minutes. They were not professional or appropriate police conduct and a commanding officer should have intervened after the suspects were in fact compliant from what I can see pretty clearly from that video. The police seargent who should have intervened, failed to and he will face disciplinary action - which is entirely appropriate.

THANK YOU SEAN!!!!!!!!

Thats's all i am trting to say... is that someone SHOULD HAVE taken the lead.... it turned out to be a buckwild stampede... and, no one ever thought that a cop could have been killed (if the suspects had a gun)..

This is why I constantly elude to PROTOCALL! Somebody dropped the ball (the police supervisor) and that's where I have a problem.

If there was a process in that one officer had a bullhorn and told the suspects to get out of the cars slowly (with instructions) while the other surrounding officers had their guns rightfully drawn....... the 3 suspects would have recognized that they were in a no win situation- either comply to the officers instructuions, or get blown the **** away- period.

In this scenario, it gives the suspects a chance to think before making a dumb move. And also gives the police fll control of the situation along with a chance to process them accordingly under the law.

Malloy · #**239** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by seand

There are some flatly counter factual claims in this thread. The beatings in this video go on for a good 3 or 4 minutes.

You are slipping Sean

Here is the link. 3-4 mins? I counted <40seconds.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/MyF...1&locale=EN-US

zur · #**240** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BMP02

No..there job is to report the news. They were not the only network that rtan it.

Wonder why ABC Nightly news ran with it as well?

Again, it's their duty to report the news.

I guess they should have shown it once, equivalent to a tree falling into a house because of bad weather.

So now, it's out there..... and there is a segment of the population that believe something was wrong- eevn our esteemed mayor and glorified police chief admitted the same.

So... can somebody tell me that progressive Mayor Nutter and new Police Chief Ramsey (especially Ramsey, a well-respected police chief) that they were wrong in their assessment and negligent with their comments?

I am waiting....

It's sensationalism. It's working on you.

It causes emotion...it's what the news looks for.

It is being covered more than the cops murder. Why?

Cause poeple like yourself get more fired up about it.

and on my side as well.

I'm all for betaing worthless scum senseless.

You DON"T RUN FROM COPS

if you do you get beat.

YOU DON"T RESIST ARREST

They did.