Cop Beating - Page 23 - PhillyBlog

random · #**221** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nuleader

We have not established that a law has or HAS NOT been broken. However, I take issue with those who falsely assume that any type of force utilized by a police officer is necessary and/or appropriate. Moreover, I take issue with those who promulgate the idea that if you're enforcing the law, do what you must; particularly, as it relates to dealing with 'bad guys'.

It's that kind of thinking which led us into this war of convenience. It's that kind of thinking which led to the rise of the Third Reich...it's a slippery slope my friend.

Any society must have rules and boundaries, which become uber important (no pun intended) for those vested with special authority and/or powers.

Oh! Just listen to me bleed....

I don't usually treat people like this but you deserve a special exception.

Blah, blah war of convenience, Nazis, third reich.

Anytime the police are involved you open up your windbag of ignorance and spout nonsense. Al Sharpton would be proud and you've learned your lessons well.

It's really a simple question: was the amount of force used reasonable. That simple question has been repeated several times. It's not some nuanced mystery that you'd like to make out of it.

I've already explained why I believe the amount of force used was reasonable. Others have given well reasoned arguments as to why they disagree.

You've done nothing other than demonstrate your own bias and ignorance. Thanks for nothing.

BMP02 · #**222** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rpost3

Well they stopped once they were in handcuffs, but to be honest, yes. If thugs get beaten into a coma by police, I would probably laugh. Their human rights are not important to me whatsoever. They have none.

Suspects! Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
BTW.. I didn't see one suspect take a swing at the police.

Was the force unecesaary? hmmmmm, I think so. It wasn't Rodney King-sih, but it was troubling.

And, as i STATED in earlier in the discussion, both the mayor and the police chief agreeded that "it didn't look right"..

BMP02 · #**223** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ADX

Believe it or not, this story has now made international headlines. It was picked up by the BBC and some other outlets in Europe.

This is why some people on this board are sooo naive; things like this cannot be swept under the rug. This has been going on for a long time with the urban areas of America.... Why does it have to take a news station to capture live footgae of a police officer beating to believe that this type of reckless disregard for protocall and the law, by police officers, occurs in da hood?
I have faced ignorant, disrespectful police in my lifetime, so i KNOW why some people feel defensive whn they say " just do as you're told bu the cops"..... it's not always that easy because there approach and demeanor isn't always pleasant.

Imangine if you were harrassed ans singles iout for no apparent reason? It happened to me a few times...so imagine it happening to a large number of urban city folks in da hood? It's not brainer to see why there is a large disconnect and trust factor with the police.

So when an incident like this happens, the conservatives for rarely deal with situations like these argue, "they deserved it", or "thery should have listen to their orders", or.."it serves them right; THEY took a police officer's life, so its UNDERSTANDABLE".

Come on.. I warned people on herE that this could blow up and it's going too..... this is only the beginning.

Man.....I'm not defending these guys, but it's obvious something wasn't right. But you get all of these people talkimng like- they deserved it, etc. They didn't find any weapons on any of the men in that car. No gun powder residue- nothing.

IMO, I think the police is using them as a scapegoat to get to the actual shooter and the 3 suspects won't snitch. So, they give them an enormous bail and make them sweat until one of them breaks with the ORIGINAL AND ONLY GUNMAN that was shooting that day, understand?

BTW.....wait until the Sharpton brigade arrives...and they are going to come...TRUST ME!!

BMP02 · #**224** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hospitalitygirl

It's May ===> Sweeps Month ===> Extra attention for tv news stations without even more mindless drivel ===> PAYDIRT!!!!

Fox29 and company must be doing extra steps in their happy dance thanks to their fortuitous timing in following a police chase.

Are you serious ma? OMG... you gotta be kidding me?
Wow....

zur · #**225** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:24 PM

Cops beat up scum

Scum shot at your fellow citizens then ran from police.

THen resisted arrest.

But all the whiney ****s feel bad for this scum.

If they shot at you would you want them to be gently handled by the police? Maybe a blanket and some coffee for them?

zur · #**226** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BMP02

Are you serious ma? OMG... you gotta be kidding me?
Wow....

You're calling us naive and yet you don't think Fox ket running this until it stuck nationally?

News works on ratings...not on if it's good for the city or it's population.

and I've been abused by cops...and I deserved it every time it happened.

and these assholes deserved it too...they are alive aren't they.

random · #**227** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BMP02

Suspects! Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
BTW.. I didn't see one suspect take a swing at the police.

Was the force unecesaary? hmmmmm, I think so. It wasn't Rodney King-sih, but it was troubling.

And, as i STATED in earlier in the discussion, both the mayor and the police chief agreeded that "it didn't look right"..

OK, you're right that it didn't look good, but that's not illegal in and of itself. I'd ignore the mayor -- he's a politician, and the P/C started out cautioning everyone to wait until all hte facts are in. He did say that it would of course be investigated carefully to bring out the facts beyond sensationalized news footage.

You're also right that nobody took a swing at the cops. The danger to cops isn't getting punched. Most grown men can take a punch and cops are no exception. The danger is that as the suspect lies on the ground with his arms crunched near his shoulders, refusing to allow officers to bring them behind his back and be cuffed, he is trying to gain access to weapons he may have concealed on him and use them. If you've never seen a demonstration as to where knives and guns can be well hidden on a person but still within easy reach, I'll try to dig up the video links.

So the cops have this guy on the ground, presumed to be dangerous, and he refuses to relax his arms and be cuffed. In that situation, I'd be reasonable in believing that he might be trying to get to weapons. He won't relax his arms. What do assisting officers do to help the guys trying to control his arms and get the suspect to comply? They inflict pain. That's it. There's no magic kung fu mind control the cops learn. There are apparently better ways to inflict pain than stomping and beating, but stomping and beating work pretty well.

That's really all I'm saying. I still think what they did was reasonable because it appears to me that once the suspects stopped resisting, the cuffs were on and the suspects secured, they stopped. That's what we want from cops. They weren't beating these guys for no reason, they were beating them to get them to comply and once they complied the beating stopped.

You are free to disagree but I'd like to know why. If you had ahold of the arm of some guy, he made his arm rigid and struggled to keep control of it, and if he squirmed how he wanted to he might grab, say, a knife hidden in his shirt and slice you pretty good with it, maybe even kill you, what would you want the other guys there helping you to do? Like I said, if it were me, stomping on the guy's head to make him comply might be among those things I'd want them to do. What would you do?

Hospitalitygirl · #**228** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BMP02

This is why some people on this board are sooo naive; things like this cannot be swept under the rug. This has been going on for a long time with the urban areas of America.... Why does it have to take a news station to capture live footgae of a police officer beating to believe that this type of reckless disregard for protocall and the law, by police officers, occurs in da hood?
I have faced ignorant, disrespectful police in my lifetime, so i KNOW why some people feel defensive whn they say " just do as you're told bu the cops"..... it's not always that easy because there approach and demeanor isn't always pleasant.

Imangine if you were harrassed ans singles iout for no apparent reason? It happened to me a few times...so imagine it happening to a large number of urban city folks in da hood? It's not brainer to see why there is a large disconnect and trust factor with the police.

So when an incident like this happens, the conservatives for rarely deal with situations like these argue, "they deserved it", or "thery should have listen to their orders", or.."it serves them right; THEY took a police officer's life, so its UNDERSTANDABLE".

Come on.. I warned people on herE that this could blow up and it's going too..... this is only the beginning.

Man.....I'm not defending these guys, but it's obvious something wasn't right. But you get all of these people talkimng like- they deserved it, etc. They didn't find any weapons on any of the men in that car. No gun powder residue- nothing.

IMO, I think the police is using them as a scapegoat to get to the actual shooter and the 3 suspects won't snitch. So, they give them an enormous bail and make them sweat until one of them breaks with the ORIGINAL AND ONLY GUNMAN that was shooting that day, understand?

BTW.....wait until the Sharpton brigade arrives...and they are going to come...TRUST ME!!

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Originally Posted by BMP02

Are you serious ma? OMG... you gotta be kidding me?
Wow....

Listen, Einstein, these stories when they happen anywhere in this country tend to "blow up". You can unbunch your panties now.

And by the way, do you really believe that the news outlets in this City aren't just jumping with glee over this story breaking in MAY? It's SWEEPS MONTH. They love to have stories like this. It just means more eyes on their dumb-assed stations, and if you don't understand this simple fact of today's television economics, well there really is no hope for you.

zur · #**229** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by random

OK, you're right that it didn't look good, but that's not illegal in and of itself. I'd ignore the mayor -- he's a politician, and the P/C started out cautioning everyone to wait until all hte facts are in. He did say that it would of course be investigated carefully to bring out the facts beyond sensationalized news footage.

You're also right that nobody took a swing at the cops. The danger to cops isn't getting punched. Most grown men can take a punch and cops are no exception. The danger is that as the suspect lies on the ground with his arms crunched near his shoulders, refusing to allow officers to bring them behind his back and be cuffed, he is trying to gain access to weapons he may have concealed on him and use them. If you've never seen a demonstration as to where knives and guns can be well hidden on a person but still within easy reach, I'll try to dig up the video links.

So the cops have this guy on the ground, presumed to be dangerous, and he refuses to relax his arms and be cuffed. In that situation, I'd be reasonable in believing that he might be trying to get to weapons. He won't relax his arms. What do assisting officers do to help the guys trying to control his arms and get the suspect to comply? They inflict pain. That's it. There's no magic kung fu mind control the cops learn. There are apparently better ways to inflict pain than stomping and beating, but stomping and beating work pretty well.

That's really all I'm saying. I still think what they did was reasonable because it appears to me that once the suspects stopped resisting, the cuffs were on and the suspects secured, they stopped. That's what we want from cops. They weren't beating these guys for no reason, they were beating them to get them to comply and once they complied the beating stopped.

You are free to disagree but I'd like to know why. If you had ahold of the arm of some guy, he made his arm rigid and struggled to keep control of it, and if he squirmed how he wanted to he might grab, say, a knife hidden in his shirt and slice you pretty good with it, maybe even kill you, what would you want the other guys there helping you to do? Like I said, if it were me, stomping on the guy's head to make him comply might be among those things I'd want them to do. What would you do?

I really wish I could have you go one every national and local news sation and say this.

BMP02 · #**230** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drewrob23

MissNina- Might I introduce you to a more progressive message board? Most of the people on this board don't think the cops can do no wrong, your wasting valuable keystrokes.