Cop Beating - Page 21 - PhillyBlog

drewrob23 · #**201** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

You used a double negative.

What you meant to say is that most of the people on this board don't think the cops can do any wrong.

Thanks for the correction.

nuleader · #**202** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hospitalitygirl

Good job of paying any sort of attention to any details.

The occupants of this vehicle were directly observed by the police, when they participated in a shooting of several others who were standing? on a street corner. The occupant in the car fled the scene, and the police pursued, pursuant to the event. NOT a day later, as you allege.

Also, watch the damned video again. Yes there were some kicks, but it was over in 20 seconds. And once they were cuffed, everything stopped. It's not like jack-booted nazis were walking around poking and kicking for shits and giggles. But seriously, I would like to know how any of you would approach a vehicle with three people who had just participated in a shooting--not knowing whether they had more guns on them or not. If they had guns, it could well have been a massacre, and maybe that's the only thing that would make some of you bleeding hearts happy.

Why am I not surprised with your response. Are you sure you're not a closet Republican?

drewrob23 · #**203** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Towelie

Yes would you people please go these sites so we the citizens of this city who actually want the city to PROGRESS can discuss these issues without the stupid R word always coming up to ruin any talk of improving anything.

I don't recall saying anything about the incident was racially motivated

Are you sure that YOU really want to see progress? All you do is complain about issues that more than likely don't affect you nor do I see you offer any solutions. Unless your one of those stop n frisk nuts who is only happy when you see a bunch of young men handcuffed and on the curb. Out of 30 men you might find something on 1. That's alot of progress.

If you really want to be honest, why not just say that y'all want a concrete barrier surrounding all of N. Philly so that y'all can feel safer. At least I'll really know where you stand.

Hospitalitygirl · #**204** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nuleader

Why am I not surprised with your response. Are you sure you're not a closet Republican?

"Doc", that's supposed to insult me--calling me a closet Republican? That's the best you can do?

nuleader · #**205** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 04:05 PM

Steven Liczbinski did not deserve to be shot in killed by a bunch of ruthless, ignorant thugs. They will be dealt with.

However, let us not forget a few key points:

1. Cops cannot break the law to enforce it.
2. In America, one must go before a court of law before guilt is determined.
3. If cops do not have the ability to regulate their behaviors and emotions, how can they regulate ours?
4. If I give you special powers, which includes the power to take my life, I expect you to behave in a special way, i.e., don't lose it every time your upset and your adrenaline gets going.
5. The killing of innoncent persons, including cops, is a major concern for most Philadelphians, however, this has little to do with the abuse of power.
6. In America, no one is below or above the law (see Dick Nixon).

Let me be honest, my heart does not ache for the thugs responsible for that disgusting police shooting. In fact, I firmly believe that shooting a police officer may be grounds for a public firing squad. However, because I'm a proud American, the United States Constitution will always come before my own personal feelings and views.

Call me a Communist...
http://drchuckspeaks.blogspot.com/

random · #**206** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by drewrob23

If you really want to be honest, why not just say that y'all want a concrete barrier surrounding all of N. Philly so that y'all can feel safer. At least I'll really know where you stand.

Would you be willing to give that a try?

Some of the other proposals kicking around the legislature seem just as "nutty" shall we say.

(this would normally be the part where I launch into my civil rights tirade where I remind everyone that the second amendment is no less important than any other of our fundamental rights and once you allow the gov't to limit any of your rights, you have given away carte blanche to limit them all and . . . .

)

PhillyRunner · #**207** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

Retributive justice only works if there's some proportionality. If it is applied without reference to proportionality, the state becomes totalitarian.

What he said.

drewrob23 · #**208** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by random

Would you be willing to give that a try?

Some of the other proposals kicking around the legislature seem just as "nutty" shall we say.

(this would normally be the part where I launch into my civil rights tirade where I remind everyone that the second amendment is no less important than any other of our fundamental rights and once you allow the gov't to limit any of your rights, you have given away carte blanche to limit them all and . . . .

)

I would def. not be willing to give it a try because I live in N.Philly and I really don't want to have to show some id as for why I coming to into "the city". But with some of the responses I have seen on this board, I'm willing to bet that a majority would be for it.

tbdiscovery · #**209** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

Retributive justice only works if there's some proportionality. If it is applied without reference to proportionality, the state becomes totalitarian.

Well aight check this out dawg, first of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand 'em I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect. Watch ya mouth and help me with the sale.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405422/quotes

PhillyRunner · #**210** (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by random

The suspects resisted and were subdued by the police. Complying with instructions while you're being arrested isn't optional.

If you resist, force will be used against you. That's the law. The police may use any force reasonably necessary to effect the arrest. If they have to punch, strike and kick you to make you comply, well you get punched, hit and kicked. Don't want to get beat on, don't resist. Simple as that.

I looked at the footage carefully and while it's hard to see, to the best I can see striking the suspects stopped even before the cuffs were on, and there were no strikes once the cuffs were on and the people secured. That's not bad. It's actually pretty good. Seems to me they did what they had to to make the thugs comply and then stopped the application of force when it was no longer necessary. What more do people want?

I'm just bumping this post because I think it sums up well the opinions of most of the people who are defending the police.

As for the final question: what more do people want? They want to eliminate the power dynamic that exists between any two people. Whether that power dynamic results from race, gender, income, employment. They want no one individual to have any power over another, demanding equality above all else. They want to live in the world of Harrison Bergeron. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration; but only slight.

I will note one point that amazes me. Perhaps I'm just lumping too many people into a single group, but it seems to me that the same people who bemoan purported abuses of power by police also believe that the solutions to society's problems -- poverty, health care, housing -- is to give the government more power in these varied areas, as though a government bureaucrat is any less likely to abuse his/her position of authority than a police officer. It's almost like a libertarian's dystopia: empower the government to do everything except the one thing that it's supposed to do -- secure private citizens in their person and their property.