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Old 01-30-2008, 11:43 AM
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Perzel maneuver derails tax plan

Wednesday, January 30, 2008BY CHARLES THOMPSON
Of The Patriot-News
House Democrats' plans to provide deeper school property tax cuts to more Pennsylvania homeowners were thrown off track Tuesday night by an old Republican nemesis.


On a 159-36 vote, members from both parties rushed to back an amendment sponsored by former Speaker John Perzel, R-Philadelphia, that would redirect all proceeds from the state's casino taxes to pay all school tax bills for senior citizen homeowners who have incomes of less than $40,000.


The Perzel amendment would effectively eliminate school property taxes for those 600,000 seniors, but it would provide no cuts for the rest of the state's 3.4 million homeowners.


The hijacking of the Democrats' plan left House Finance Committee Chairman David Levdansky, D-Allegheny, seething about the "ex-speaker's revenge."


"This undoes totally our efforts to provide broad-based tax relief to everyone in the commonwealth," Levdansky argued on the floor.


If it passes, "there will be no property tax relief for anybody else," he warned.


Levdansky's bill, erased by the language of the Perzel amendment, called for boosting the state sales tax to 6.5 percent, and the personal income tax to 3.29 percent.
Levdansky had said the revenue would generate enough money to grant property tax breaks averaging $550 for all homeowners by 2009.


Under law, the slots proceeds would likely only generate average cuts of $99 per homeowner for 2009.


Neither Levdansky nor House Majority Leader H. William DeWeese, D-Greene, could immediately outline a next move Tuesday night, saying they would need a good night's sleep and a full caucus meeting today to find ways to revive their goal of deeper tax cuts.


One option was proposed by Rep. Frank Dermody, D-Allegheny, that would call for the elimination of school property taxes in 2010.


That plan would give lawmakers two years to arrive at replacement funding.


Despite the margin for Perzel's amendment, it was far from certain it will get to Gov. Ed Rendell's desk.


Members on the floor for the vote noted that the final tally was skewed by bandwagon-jumpers who did not want to be seen as casting an anti-senior vote once the Perzel plan garnered a majority.


"Once it got past 102, there was a tidal wave," confirmed Rep. Steve Nickol, R-Hanover.


But some Democrats said they see real merit to the plan.


A top aide to Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-Delaware, said that Perzel's senior-friendly plan would very likely get a "very serious look" in that chamber.


Levdansky and his allies fought vigorously against Perzel's plan, noting it pitted its 600,000 beneficiaries against 2.8 million non-qualifying homeowners.


Perzel and the Republicans said their plan was the only one that had a realistic chance of getting through the Senate, where previous tax-shifting proposals have met with strong resistance from Republicans and Democrats.


"The whole idea of property tax relief in the 30 years that I've been here has been to try to make sure that senior citizens don't lose their homes," Perzel said.


CHARLES THOMPSON: 705-5724 or cthompson@patriot-news.com


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Wednesday, January 30, 2008BY CHARLES THOMPSON
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House Democrats' plans to provide deeper school property tax cuts to more Pennsylvania homeowners were thrown off track Tuesday night by an old Republican nemesis.


On a 159-36 vote, members from both parties rushed to back an amendment sponsored by former Speaker John Perzel, R-Philadelphia, that would redirect all proceeds from the state's casino taxes to pay all school tax bills for senior citizen homeowners who have incomes of less than $40,000.


The Perzel amendment would effectively eliminate school property taxes for those 600,000 seniors, but it would provide no cuts for the rest of the state's 3.4 million homeowners.


The hijacking of the Democrats' plan left House Finance Committee Chairman David Levdansky, D-Allegheny, seething about the "ex-speaker's revenge."


"This undoes totally our efforts to provide broad-based tax relief to everyone in the commonwealth," Levdansky argued on the floor.


If it passes, "there will be no property tax relief for anybody else," he warned.


Levdansky's bill, erased by the language of the Perzel amendment, called for boosting the state sales tax to 6.5 percent, and the personal income tax to 3.29 percent.
Levdansky had said the revenue would generate enough money to grant property tax breaks averaging $550 for all homeowners by 2009.


Under law, the slots proceeds would likely only generate average cuts of $99 per homeowner for 2009.


Neither Levdansky nor House Majority Leader H. William DeWeese, D-Greene, could immediately outline a next move Tuesday night, saying they would need a good night's sleep and a full caucus meeting today to find ways to revive their goal of deeper tax cuts.


One option was proposed by Rep. Frank Dermody, D-Allegheny, that would call for the elimination of school property taxes in 2010.


That plan would give lawmakers two years to arrive at replacement funding.


Despite the margin for Perzel's amendment, it was far from certain it will get to Gov. Ed Rendell's desk.


Members on the floor for the vote noted that the final tally was skewed by bandwagon-jumpers who did not want to be seen as casting an anti-senior vote once the Perzel plan garnered a majority.


"Once it got past 102, there was a tidal wave," confirmed Rep. Steve Nickol, R-Hanover.


But some Democrats said they see real merit to the plan.


A top aide to Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-Delaware, said that Perzel's senior-friendly plan would very likely get a "very serious look" in that chamber.


Levdansky and his allies fought vigorously against Perzel's plan, noting it pitted its 600,000 beneficiaries against 2.8 million non-qualifying homeowners.


Perzel and the Republicans said their plan was the only one that had a realistic chance of getting through the Senate, where previous tax-shifting proposals have met with strong resistance from Republicans and Democrats.


"The whole idea of property tax relief in the 30 years that I've been here has been to try to make sure that senior citizens don't lose their homes," Perzel said.


CHARLES THOMPSON: 705-5724 or cthompson@patriot-news.com


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There is a lot to go through on this.

First, I am not sure about my thoughts of merely cutting low income senior taxes.

Second, I love this line: "Neither Levdansky nor House Majority Leader H. William DeWeese, D-Greene, could immediately outline a next move Tuesday night, saying they would need a good night's sleep and a full caucus meeting today to find ways to revive their goal of deeper tax cuts." when right before it says: "Levdansky's bill, erased by the language of the Perzel amendment, called for boosting the state sales tax to 6.5 percent, and the personal income tax to 3.29 percent." According to the article, Perzel's bill erases the increase in taxes and Deweese is saying their goal is deeper tax cuts?

Third, how does the school tax work right now? I had assumed the county/district gets the relevant school tax collected. If that is eliminated and other taxes raised, how does the money get to the school district? Personally, I have no problem with a School district/county choosing their own rate of taxation to fund their schools. If they want to pay more or less for their schools, it is their choice, I would feel, as opposed to the state determining their tax revenue for their local schools.

Fourth, have their been any reports of how revenue works out in the Democratic tax shift plan? Does it generate more, less, neutral? What demographics are expected to pay what?
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Good questions Adam.

Another is how this effects us here where casino money goes to wage tax reduction?

Another is this maybe a preemptive move to kill Rendell's plan for trading state-wide standardization of the curriculum for propertax reductions?
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Good questions Adam.

Another is how this effects us here where casino money goes to wage tax reduction?

Another is this maybe a preemptive move to kill Rendell's plan for trading state-wide standardization of the curriculum for propertax reductions?
1) It looks like this bill is above and beyond casino money, but yes, we need to see how it affects Philadelphia (theoretically they could pay the 60% that goes to the schools).

2) That is a good thought.
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to revive their goal of deeper tax cuts." when right before it says: "Levdansky's bill, erased by the language of the Perzel amendment, called for boosting the state sales tax to 6.5 percent, and the personal income tax to 3.29 percent." According to the article, Perzel's bill erases the increase in taxes and Deweese is saying their goal is deeper tax cuts?
Yes, that's correct...they're offsetting lower property taxes by raising other taxes. So it's more of a tax shift than anything else.

Therefore, some questions are: who benefits from this shift, by how much, and what does it mean for property owners here in Philly?
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Not a big fan of Deweese's tax shift plan. I'd be for it if we were trading it for lower business taxes. I think that might actually help spur the state economy and regrow the tax base. In the long run, higher receipts could be used to lower property taxes. maybe they shoudl consider table games to further lower property taxes. Shifting the burden to wage earners in a state that struggles to keep, let alone retain, young workers without doing anything to address economic shortcomings seems shortsighted.
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Another question-

Since the ammount of school property taxes due vary wildly from schoo district to school distirict, isn't this bill sort of like subsidizing seniors to live in upscale areas? I mean if Lower Merion decides to have the highest school property tax in 3 states, doesn't the Perzell bill mean we are de facto subsidizing seniors there a lot more than we would be subsidizing say seniors in Chester-Upland?
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Since the ammount of school property taxes due vary wildly from schoo district to school distirict, isn't this bill sort of like subsidizing seniors to live in upscale areas? I mean if Lower Merion decides to have the highest school property tax in 3 states, doesn't the Perzell bill mean we are de facto subsidizing seniors there a lot more than we would be subsidizing say seniors in Chester-Upland?
Well, they have to make under $40K a year. I would assume people making that much aren't owning a $500,000 mansion with a huge property tax bill.

I agree though, it would be nice to see the scatter gram of the property taxes that will be paid and where.
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