4 year old dies from self inflicted gun wound - Page 3 - PhillyBlog

random · #21 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooklyncat

we mandate child-safety caps on tylenol but we can't mandate that every gun is sold with a child safety lock, because that annoys the legal gun owners who know they would never leave their gun where a child could find it, or where someone could take it without their knowledge.

Actually it is illegal to sell a gun in PA unless it includes a child safety lock. Do you know anything at all about guns (other than what you read on liberal hysteria internet sites)?

Th father is being charged with manslaughter, among other things. In essence, he did negligently kill his own kid and will be punished by the law for it.

Quote:

If only he'd been armed. No wait, HE WAS. Maybe someone could have shot it out of his little hand and saved him.

If the entire situation weren't so tragic, that would be sort of funny. See, you do have a sense of humor.

union · #22 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:08 PM

Can you imagine if your son just killed himself with your gun... How could you possibly even think about hiding the evidence at a time like that?

What were they going to say, "it must have been a drive by, i dont know how he got shot officer, there is no gun here." Hopefully he gets his ass beat in jail.

cerberus413 · #23 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shosh

It's not that I don't believe Random and Cerberus and Mr. Brightsides all the other gun owners who post here -- I'm sure that you all think you are the most careful gun owners on the planet, and you probably are ... most of the time. But unfortunately, "most of the time" is not good enough -- at least not for dead 4 year olds.

I dont think I am the most careful gun owner around but I take specific steps to ensure my firearms are under lock and key when not being carried etc...Leaving them just lying around or shoved under the mattress is pure blasphemy.

random · #24 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooklyncat

If you know so much about the issue, you would think you could come up with some constructive suggestions to stem the endless tide of bloodshed. But you never do.

Come on. We've all been advocating putting criminals behind bars as the law provides and requires. The convicted felon of a father would have been in jail until 2009 for his earlier conviction if the DA were doing her job. IF the DA did her job, the little kid would still be alive.

You just don't want to hear the solutions several people have suggested time and again. Are you actually Ed Rendell?

cerberus413 · #25 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooklyncat

we mandate child-safety caps on tylenol but we can't mandate that every gun is sold with a child safety lock, because that annoys the legal gun owners who know they would never leave their gun where a child could find it, or where someone could take it without their knowledge.

I know it has been covered but I need to toss my 2 cents into the fray.

You are a moron plain and simple....every single handgun sold legally MUST come with a lock....For every handgun I own I have one....they even came with my shotguns.

raider.adam · #26 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by union

Can you imagine if your son just killed himself with your gun... How could you possibly even think about hiding the evidence at a time like that?

What were they going to say, "it must have been a drive by, i dont know how he got shot officer, there is no gun here." Hopefully he gets his ass beat in jail.

Maybe the gun had been used in another shooting?

KENfmt · #27 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooklyncat

If you know so much about the issue, you would think you could come up with some constructive suggestions to stem the endless tide of bloodshed. But you never do. Just insults and "Eddie the Eagle" and crossfire. No wonder the rest of the civilized world thinks we are a bunch of animals.

I have posted numerous ideas to reduce violence and gun crime. You post a demand for laws that already exist. That sure is constructive.

Your passion is admirable. Unfortunately, it's not paired with any substance. I'm not trying to insult you, but if you're going to publicly advocate for things that restrict my rights without having even a minute base of knowledge on the subject, expect my retort to point out your lack of comprehension, knowledge, or substantive ideas.

KENfmt · #28 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Djuan Boyd, 24, a convicted gun felon with multiple drug-dealing arrests, will be charged with involuntary manslaughter, illegal gun possession, and endangering the welfare of a child, said Cathie Abookire, spokeswoman for District Attorney Lynne Abraham.
The father, whose birthday was last Wednesday, has a pending drug-dealing case that is listed for trial next month. In 2004, he pleaded guilty to carrying a gun with a license and drug dealing and was sentenced to 11-23 months in county prison, court records show.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...r-old_boy.html

If only there was a law that required guns to be locked up. I'm sure this convicted felon drug dealer who was illegally in posession of this gun would have complied with that law and this tragedy would have been averted.

Shosh · #29 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooklyncat

So your solution is the NRA-sponsored "Eddie the Eagle" program? Seriously?

I guess if the little four-year old boy had lived long enough to make it to school, he might have made an important new friend!

You should be happy I keep posting so that you can keep spreading your NRA-sponsored propaganda. But go on insulting me. It just shows the total moral bankruptcy of your position. If you know so much about the issue, you would think you could come up with some constructive suggestions to stem the endless tide of bloodshed. But you never do. Just insults and "Eddie the Eagle" and crossfire. No wonder the rest of the civilized world thinks we are a bunch of animals.

People who think their guns are safe from their children are deluded. A 2006 Harvard study of 201 gun-owning parents showed, among other things, that 39 percent of kids knew the location of their parents' firearms, while 22 percent said they had handled the weapons, despite their parents' assertions to the contrary. Additionally, parents who had talked to their children about gun safety were just as likely to be misinformed about their children's actions as those who said they never had discussed the matter.

As for Eddie the Eagle, several studies have shown the program to be ineffective. Take a look at these chilling excerpts from a 20/20 program several years ago: http://www.vpc.org/eddie.htm (BTW, it was that 20/20 Program that convinced me, once and for all, not only to never allow a gun in my home, but to make sure that my daughter never visited/had a playdate at a home with a gun).

bugs · #30 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 05:15 PM

Blah blah blah. It's the usual pro and anti gun back and forth.

Advocating for longer sentences and enforcement of mandatory minimums for illegal gun possession is useless until we address the fact that the "war on drugs" has overcrowded our jails and prisons to the tipping point. DA's, prosecutors, and judges are left juggling criminals and being forced to do everything they can to avoid locking them up for long periods of time.
Oh, and prison does not rehabilitate. There's that.