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Old 12-18-2007, 05:40 PM
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Much of the Skinhead movement is of Christian Identity origin or affiliation. Certainly the Hammerskins are. Now, I realize KSS is not affiliated with EHS, but forgive me if I get a bit confused. So, I'm guessing you're more affiliated with the World Church of the Creator (which makes sense considering the KSS origins). My bad. Sorry I called you a Christian. That was uncalled for.

As for you not having any type of association, well....that's not exactly true, is it? Aryan Nations participated in your Harrisburg rally, and they're also indisputably at the heart of the CI movement. Stormfront was there as well, at they're certainly Christian Identity.

So perhaps my confusion is understandable. While the origins of your philosophy might not be the same, your goals and rhetoric sure are.



Well, at least you've got some taste in music.
Actually a great deal of skinheads & racialists have adopted the religion of our ancestors known as Asatru. But religion isn't so much a part of things and it's non existant within the KSS. I myself am not religious but I am partial to Asatru for its cultural significance.

Religion breeds insanity.

But to answer your question, we dont have anything to do with the WCOTC other then perhaps owning a few of their books in our personal libraries and having some of their members coming out to our shows.

The EHS/HSN, yeah a lot of them are C.I but I know a lot that are Odinists, i.e followers of Asatru. I think they are like us as far as keeping politics and religion seperate

Stormfront/A.N: The rally that took place in Harrisburg was not held by us or any racial group. The Voice of the People organized that and they go out of their way to denounce "racists".

It just so happens that we made up the majority of the protesters that day, especially since we brought giant posters and flags with us. Which we wouldn't have done if we had known we would be the only people really showing up.

Stormfronts not really an organization, thats kind of like considering Phillyblog a group. They definitly dont have a religious preferance, not that I'm aware of. And a few AN guys did show up to that, we cant really control who show's up at other people's events. Although the one's that did show up are having a bit of an Identity crisis, lol, literally. I think they are trying to do their own thing or whatever to try and get away from all that baggage. Eh, C.I is not my cup of tea.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:55 PM
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Actually a great deal of skinheads & racialists have adopted the religion of our ancestors known as Asatru. But religion isn't so much a part of things and it's non existant within the KSS. I myself am not religious but I am partial to Asatru for its cultural significance.

Religion breeds insanity.

But to answer your question, we dont have anything to do with the WCOTC other then perhaps owning a few of their books in our personal libraries and having some of their members coming out to our shows.

The EHS/HSN, yeah a lot of them are C.I but I know a lot that are Odinists, i.e followers of Asatru. I think they are like us as far as keeping politics and religion seperate

Stormfront/A.N: The rally that took place in Harrisburg was not held by us or any racial group. The Voice of the People organized that and they go out of their way to denounce "racists".

It just so happens that we made up the majority of the protesters that day, especially since we brought giant posters and flags with us. Which we wouldn't have done if we had known we would be the only people really showing up.

Stormfronts not really an organization, thats kind of like considering Phillyblog a group. They definitly dont have a religious preferance, not that I'm aware of. And a few AN guys did show up to that, we cant really control who show's up at other people's events. Although the one's that did show up are having a bit of an Identity crisis, lol, literally. I think they are trying to do their own thing or whatever to try and get away from all that baggage. Eh, C.I is not my cup of tea.
Stormfront provides some interesting reading at times. It used to be wackier years ago, but then they took a stand about not sounding obsessed with Hitler and stuff. What that means is that many posters are increasingly rational and responding to the obvious Jewish influence in our country and denial of the problems the country has with black culture.

So, they have points better never seem to have much of a plan. Additionally, they can decide if they're ultra right Capitalist types or a type of socialist like Nazis and what is seen in Nordic cultures since the Vikings. Amusingly, Jews are traditionally National Socialists as well, and that confuses them.

It's all pretty entertaining.

Asatru:

I can't wait to read about it, so thanks.

Meanwhile, this is yet another attempt to imitate Jews. If we get a religion, then we'll have solidarity like the Jews, and beat them at their own game! Kwanza, is just like that as well.

Thor is cool and all, but how do you honestly work your way to believing in him.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:40 AM
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But to answer your question, we dont have anything to do with the WCOTC other then perhaps owning a few of their books in our personal libraries and having some of their members coming out to our shows.
That's for clearing that up. I will admit to, though knowing WCotC is atheist by creed, sometimes mistakenly including them in with CI groups. I mean, atheists with "Church of the Creator" in the name? That's as confusing as all you skinheads with hair!!

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Stormfront/A.N: The rally that took place in Harrisburg was not held by us or any racial group. The Voice of the People organized that and they go out of their way to denounce "racists".
Sorry that I misrepresented that. Since the crowd appeared to be two thirds KSS, I just assumed. Had I checked you site, I'd have seen differently.

That had to be awkward for the event organizer.

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Stormfronts not really an organization, thats kind of like considering Phillyblog a group. They definitly dont have a religious preferance, not that I'm aware of.
Stormfront.org is much more hierarchical the phillyblog. While it may be open, founder Don Black clearly runs the show, and Thom Robb and David Duke are particularly prominent. That's a Klan troika if there ever was one (though I realize Black is no long in the Klan). And though the Klan predates CI, there is so much overlap between the two. Throw in the prevalence of Paul Fromm and the CI influence is undeniable. Even in the religion forums, the Traditional Christianity/Christian Identity forums bet a lot more traffic than the Odinist/Asatru/Athiest areas. Sure, stormfront may welcome other philosophies, but most of the users and almost all of those driving the agenda have CI leanings. I don't go there often, but do check in once in a while. Hopefully, we both get can't help but snicker at threads titled, "Where can I find a Thor's Hammer?"
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Old 12-23-2007, 01:09 PM
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Stormfront provides some interesting reading at times. It used to be wackier years ago, but then they took a stand about not sounding obsessed with Hitler and stuff. What that means is that many posters are increasingly rational and responding to the obvious Jewish influence in our country and denial of the problems the country has with black culture.

So, they have points better never seem to have much of a plan. Additionally, they can decide if they're ultra right Capitalist types or a type of socialist like Nazis and what is seen in Nordic cultures since the Vikings. Amusingly, Jews are traditionally National Socialists as well, and that confuses them.

It's all pretty entertaining.

Asatru:

I can't wait to read about it, so thanks.

Meanwhile, this is yet another attempt to imitate Jews. If we get a religion, then we'll have solidarity like the Jews, and beat them at their own game! Kwanza, is just like that as well.

Thor is cool and all, but how do you honestly work your way to believing in him.
Asatru is very much intertwined with Northern European mythology and actual history. I don't believe it's a matter of believing in Thor, Odin, Freya etc in the literal sense as with Christianity and other religions of that nature. They more or less represent certain values & characteristics that are very dominate and important among our own people. I am not religious whatsoever but I still find it very interesting & important from a cultural and historical perspective.
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Old 12-23-2007, 01:33 PM
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**** the racists (skinheads or not). get the **** out of philly.
I just wanted to compliment you on your wonderful response, very mindless and so very typical of the true ignorance displayed by the general public these days. Perhaps you should be a bit more concerned with the people lowering the standards of living in our city and turning it into a drug infested battlefield as opposed to stomping your feet because a group of people have decided to speak out against it, whether you agree with us or not.

I could understand if we were going out and attacking people, causing all sorts of problems by stirring the pot and intimidating people but were not. We present ideas and options in a clear, legal & logical manner. You only attack us because you feel safe in doing so, and because you underestimate us. I hate to be the one to break it to you but were not the backwoods trailer park bandits that escaped from the Jerry Springer show. And were not going anywhere my angry little friend so suck it up and get used to it.
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Asatru is very much intertwined with Northern European mythology and actual history. I don't believe it's a matter of believing in Thor, Odin, Freya etc in the literal sense as with Christianity and other religions of that nature. They more or less represent certain values & characteristics that are very dominate and important among our own people. I am not religious whatsoever but I still find it very interesting & important from a cultural and historical perspective.
Yes, I understand that Nordic people are collective and egalitarian in nature. Such ideas are alive and well in Nordic countries today.

I love that stuff.

However, modern Nordic nations are maintaining their philosophies without having to worship the sacred groves or whatever. You can't go back. Rather, it seems that they've moved on and now employ what they believe is an ethic of living, based on itself.

I saw a recent story about a mayor of a town who removed all traffic signs and lights to increase mindfulness and politeness in the people, and it worked. He did have to carry the sacred hammer or anything to do this, he just did it.

If people want to live in a world free of outside cultural influence, or simply oppose the less humanistic ones, then they should just do it. If you don't like Jews and blacks then live counter to them and support them in no way, WITH YOUR OWN PERSONAL ACTIVITIES. Thor isn't going to help nor is protesting or talking about it.

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13, just out of curiosity, how does your group define white people? Are Irish people allowed to join? What about Jews? Hispanics? Catholics? People from Spain? I can't imagine how you figure that out, and I'd love to know.
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