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Old 12-04-2007, 01:45 PM
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Philadelphia voters need to think about who they send to Harrisburg to represent them. State elections matter and voters will get a chance to hold their state reps accountable next year. Here's hoping they do.
So if you had a chance, would you vote out Dwight Evans over this?
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:53 PM
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Philadelphia voters need to think about who they send to Harrisburg to represent them. State elections matter and voters will get a chance to hold their state reps accountable next year. Here's hoping they do.
Saddly that is what CasinoFree and other anti-casino people should do as well. Stir up opposition to all the Philly State reps and senators that voted for it. Replace 10 or so legislators and things shake up a bit (or at least you take them down with you).
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So if you had a chance, would you vote out Dwight Evans over this?
Depends on who was running against him. Certainly I would vote out Fumo over this. I'm definitely going to vote against retaining every Supreme other than Saylor over this particularly bad decision. Its not just Fumo and Evans, its the whole Philadelphia delegation.

We've had illegal pay raises, state takeovers over the schools that hand delivered contracts to one of the worst for-profit school operators - Edison - and underdelivered in terms of funding, the PPA which gets bigger and bigger in terms of patronage but doesn't deliver the money they promised to the schools. The people we send to Harrisburg are not serving us on a number of different levels.

To be clear I'm not anti-casino. I'm jut appalled at the process they were put through with.
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There was other ways to get casinos to Philadelphia without doing what they did.


First of all, the locations are horrible. Traffic is bad.


There is plenty of cheap brownfield land that is just west of FDR Park. The streets could be extended past the park and the old grain elevator that is near the Girard Point Bridge could be imploded and make way for a large casino.

And the state could have passed an exemption for Philadelphia to get casinos with table games, which would get more support in the city than big metal box slots barns like you have in Chester.


Philadelphians want a Borgata in the City because it would bring high end jobs and amenities that actually improve life here and provide many more jobs than slots barns do. Slots barns are traffic accumulators and an eyesore.
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Maybe with SugarHouse, Philadelphians will have learned a thing or two about the politicians they voted in office. After all, Philadelphians are ultimately responsible for bringing gaming to ALL of Pennsylvania. The people in the First Senate District are to blame for all the casinos in the state, because we put Fumo in power.
Q: Did Rendell run for governor on a pro-casino ticket?
A: No.

Q: Did Fumo and Evans run for office on a pro-casino ticket?
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Nobody in Philadelphia or Pennsylvania voted for anyone who ran for office on a pro-casino ticket. They all pulled it out of their hats after they were elected.
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More state stuff: taxpayer funded partisan polling, PHEA, "bonuses" for Senate staffers campaigning on the taxpayers dime, the inability to actually pass a sunshine law that makes us competitive with other states in terms of transparency in government.

People should really look at who runs in primaries next spring for state offices.
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Q: Did Rendell run for governor on a pro-casino ticket?
A: No.

Q: Did Fumo and Evans run for office on a pro-casino ticket?
A: No.

Nobody in Philadelphia or Pennsylvania voted for anyone who ran for office on a pro-casino ticket. They all pulled it out of their hats after they were elected.


I normally wouldn't jump in here but this is just factually incorrect. Rendell DID run on a pro-casino platform in 02. In fact, he was quite open about it. The mantra was property tax relief and that's how it was going to be delivered. You can argue about the methodology of how it was passed all you want (personally I wasn't surprised as it was in keeping with the way government typically operates in PA), but if you're suggesting that Rendell only dreamed this up after election, you simply weren't paying attention at the time.

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I normally wouldn't jump in here but this is just factually incorrect. Rendell DID run on a pro-casino platform in 02. In fact, he was quite open about it. The mantra was property tax relief and that's how it was going to be delivered. You can argue about the methodology of how it was passed all you want (personally I wasn't surprised as it was in keeping with the way government typically operates in PA), but if you're suggesting that Rendell only dreamed this up after election, you simply weren't paying attention at the time.

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Rendell DID run on a pro-casino platform in 02. In fact, he was quite open about it.
I know he was pro-riverboat gaming in his first campaign for mayor. He was elected, but his gaming platform received no support in Philadelphia. Are you sure that's not what you're thinking of?
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