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Old 10-16-2007, 08:40 PM
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I disagree with you TannHauser.
I think if the city led an initiative to clean our streets, it would be reciprocated by the citizenry.
If people won't grab a broom now, they're not going to do it because the city runs some ads or buys some sidewalk sweepers.
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:26 PM
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If people won't grab a broom now, they're not going to do it because the city runs some ads or buys some sidewalk sweepers.
Sadly I think its true. But the city could still clean up more. Not to the extent of Paris that sends dudes around on motorbikes vaccuming up doog poo but a bit more effort would be nice.

In some cases though the city just lets trash pile up and it sets a bad example. Near me one offender is the area near the Berks EL on Front st. It is pretty desolate of business but alot of people use the station. The sidewalk is virtually covered in trash. I believe the city owns the land. It looks like it hasn't been cleaned in decades. Why would anyone bother using a trash can. It is really depressing and makes things look worse than they are for the neighborhood.
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My birth town, Pittsburgh, has an interesting history of anti-litter sloganeering. My favorite was "For Pete's Sake, Keep It Clean," which was emblazoned on all litter cans during the administration of the late Mayor Peter Flaherty in the '70s.

The City actually did become pretty clean for a time in the 80s; haven't visited there for over 20 years, so I can't say how they are now. Anecdotally, during a visit in '86, I was admonished by a Port Authority cop as I tossed down a ciggie butt just before entering the new subway station - "Hey buddy, how about next time you use the ash tray." My bad. There were ashtrays flanking the entrance that I hadn't noticed at first.

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Old 10-16-2007, 10:29 PM
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Exactly. Like this:


A group of our neighbors have been getting so desperate about the trash problem on our block that we've actually considered getting one or two of these ourselves. This is as far as we got. (I spotted this very well-designed can in a shopping center in Marlton NJ. I went back to photograph it & was hoping there would be a name plate of some sort with the manufacturer on it, but there wasn't.)

These are the sorts of cans the City should have everywhere. They should cut down drastically on the issue of household trash being disposed in public cans, which would in turn reduce the overflow issues.

I also agree that citizens should be required to put out trash in proper containers, with tight-fitting lids. It is absolutely amazing to me what the City puts up with as far as how people are allowed to put out their trash.


Yes. And I have high hopes for Nutter too. I applaud his courage to speak the truth.

That is exactly what I am talking about! It isn't friggin' rocket science. When you have trash cans with 4 foot circumferences it makes it pretty easy to throw way household waste, and also for the trash at the top to blow away.

Shocking anecdote from my neighborhood. Last year trashcans were removed from Coxe Park (2 of them) b/c people were throwing household trash away. Now, recently, the City has taken away a trashcan at 22nd and Cherry (around the corner from Coxe Park) for the same thing. How about some enforcement on throwing household trash away? How about replacing the dysfunctional trashcans with ones that work. I think a decent administrator (which hopefully Nutter will be) would be shocked that the solution the Streets department comes up with is to remove the trash cans...

Fundamentally, that is also one of the things Nutter has to do... whole-sale house cleaning of a variety of Department Heads...starting with the Police and Streets
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Sadly I think its true. But the city could still clean up more. Not to the extent of Paris that sends dudes around on motorbikes vaccuming up doog poo but a bit more effort would be nice.
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My birth town, Pittsburgh, has an interesting history of anti-litter sloganeering. My favorite was "For Pete's Sake, Keep It Clean," which was emblazoned on all litter cans during the administration of the late Mayor Peter Flaherty in the '70s.
It would be nice if there were more trash cans that were frequently emptied, but I think the majority of the refuse comes from either folks dumping or not bothering to tie up their garbage.
That's the conclusion I've drawn, based on more than a decade of being the only one who sweeps up the block.
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It would be nice if there were more trash cans that were frequently emptied, but I think the majority of the refuse comes from either folks dumping or not bothering to tie up their garbage.
That's the conclusion I've drawn, based on more than a decade of being the only one who sweeps up the block.
Tann, I am with with you -- I think that the trashcan/emptied frequently is only part of the problem. For some reason (well, the reasons are pretty obvious -- poverty, lack of respect for self and others, poor education, poor parental supervision, etc...) there is a large population here that will continue - despite nice trashcans on every corner - to throw their litter on the ground.

That is where enforcement comes in. All it will take is a few people getting $500 tickets for littering and then you'll see people City-wide change their behavior.
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Agreed.

But you're not going to solve these problems simply by confirming national stereotypes about the city with the Associated Press.
Or are you? We cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the issues in this city. We live in a dangerous place and the way people act in the most basic civilized action speaks volumes. Maybe if we Philadelphians (all of us) take these criticisms to heart we can change this city for the better.

We don't need to make this a stereotype; the city is a mess in many aspects and it needs to be looked at.

I say bravo to Nutter and anyone Street is against must be good for the city.
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Tann, I am with with you -- I think that the trashcan/emptied frequently is only part of the problem. For some reason (well, the reasons are pretty obvious -- poverty, lack of respect for self and others, poor education, poor parental supervision, etc...) there is a large population here that will continue - despite nice trashcans on every corner - to throw their litter on the ground.

That is where enforcement comes in. All it will take is a few people getting $500 tickets for littering and then you'll see people City-wide change their behavior.
I still like the idea of clean-up as an alternate penalty for offenses. Saves a lot of money all around, and reinforces the idea that maybe you shouldn't just toss your garbage wherever you are.
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A Singapore-style ticketing program for littering...could do wonders for the city.
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I think it's more important to focus on the horrid violence and debilitating public school system than litter.

My gut instinct tells me this is all political pandering.

You can put as much lipstick and makeup on a pig if you want.
It's still a pig.

Take immediate steps to end gun violence.
Breakup these goliath highschools into smaller more efficient and productive "neighborhood" magent schools.
Reform the city business tax code.

All energy should be focused on those three criteria.
Only then will Philadelphia emerge as a world class city it's citizens can be proud off.
Everything else like trash pickup or planting trees would 100% come about after the successful completion of the above mentioned three criteria.

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