Grave/Bones in Kensington - Page 3 - PhillyBlog

Ace Capone · #21 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 12:38 AM

swift-try this link to 6abc.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6079187
The one you have was written on a different day and for whatever reason, doesnt have the full story. It looks identical to the page you have except written very tiny is a "Story continues below" link on top of the advertisement...

SwiftLyons · #22 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 04:25 AM

The tombstone found in a backyard in Kensington appears to have been the first one that her mother had made for Joseph Simone when he was buried at Holy Cross in South Philadelphia. She had a bigger one made when that cemetery was moved to Yeadon.

Ace, As far as I know in modern times Holy Cross has always been in Yeadon.

Cbr129 · #23 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 07:02 PM

Did the Simone family ever live at the residence where the body was found?

Ace Capone · #24 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 08:33 PM

I don't know it all seems odd to me. Basically, a lady got a gravestone made for her husband. She doesn't like it, discards it by digging a hole in her backyard and burrying it. Now, it seems like a pretty freaky coincedence that around the area she decideds to discard of the stone, there already is a dead body?? It's either that (a 1 in a million coincedence), the daughter has no idea what she is talking about and it is in fact her father's body in the yard, or there is some strange conspiracy/cover-up (ie pretend its his body when its someone elses) going on!
PS sorry about any spelling/gramatical errors...in a hurry....

SwiftLyons · #25 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 10:14 PM

bad spelling/gramatical errors...are my stock and trade

aname · #26 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Capone

I don't know it all seems odd to me. Basically, a lady got a gravestone made for her husband.

I don't think there is any implication that she didn't like the first headstone. I think the point was that they were moving the entire graveyard, and they probably went to the still available families with a few options. It's probably more cost effective, and easier for the movers to have new stones made and installed at the new site than moving the old ones, so they pushed that option. Then they just dump the old ones wherever they can.

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She doesn't like it, discards it by digging a hole in her backyard and burrying it...

It's either that (a 1 in a million coincedence), the daughter has no idea what she is talking about and it is in fact her father's body in the yard, or there is some strange conspiracy/cover-up (ie pretend its his body when its someone elses) going on!

I think if the family had lived at this location, that would have been the first thing to come out. Since it hasn't, I don't believe they did (this is easily verifyable/confirmable if they did.) Thus, I don't believe the _family_ buried the stone (nor the body) there.

It's pretty obvious what probably happened:
The movers were not ethical and did not move all the bodies all the way to the new site. They illegally dumped as many bodies and stones anywhere they could rather than moving them all the way and reburying them. It may be that this is the father's body, or it might just be another body from that cemetary.

The daughter certainly believes she is right. However, I would bet that neither her mother nor herself were on site when the cemetary was moved, and were not there when they re-inturred her fathers body. So she only BELIEVES the body to be there. After all, her mother got a new headstone made and placed there, and the cemetary TOLD them her father was moved to the new site, so why would she doubt them? The family has probably been visiting the new site for years thinking he is there. Heck, without exuming the new gravesite, how does anybody know if there is ANYBODY buried at that plot at all?

Cbr129 · #27 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aname

I don't think there is any implication that she didn't like the first headstone. I think the point was that they were moving the entire graveyard, and they probably went to the still available families with a few options. It's probably more cost effective, and easier for the movers to have new stones made and installed at the new site than moving the old ones, so they pushed that option. Then they just dump the old ones wherever they can.

I think if the family had lived at this location, that would have been the first thing to come out. Since it hasn't, I don't believe they did (this is easily verifyable/confirmable if they did.) Thus, I don't believe the _family_ buried the stone (nor the body) there.

It's pretty obvious what probably happened:
The movers were not ethical and did not move all the bodies all the way to the new site. They illegally dumped as many bodies and stones anywhere they could rather than moving them all the way and reburying them. It may be that this is the father's body, or it might just be another body from that cemetary.

The daughter certainly believes she is right. However, I would bet that neither her mother nor herself were on site when the cemetary was moved, and were not there when they re-inturred her fathers body. So she only BELIEVES the body to be there. After all, her mother got a new headstone made and placed there, and the cemetary TOLD them her father was moved to the new site, so why would she doubt them? The family has probably been visiting the new site for years thinking he is there. Heck, without exuming the new gravesite, how does anybody know if there is ANYBODY buried at that plot at all?

Interesting insight. What year was the graveyard moved? What year is that particular neighborhood built? I can see the movers not moving all the body's/tombs; however, if the grave yard was moved in the 70's, well after that house was built and inhabited, I would find it unlikely that the movers would dispose of body's in random Kensington yards. If they did put these graves in random Kensington yards, i would imagine that many more would have been found by now. Nonetheless, it's interesting nothing more has come of this story.

Ace Capone · #28 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 12:59 AM

You know for some reason, I feel like I read somewhere that: a)Joseph Simone and his family lived at the house, at some point, where the body was found and b) Ms. Simone discarded the headstone because it wasn't the right size or didn't look good enough; or something like that, but I am most likely wrong (as usual!). Now I'm thinking "am I moron" because what ANAME is saying makes complete sense and seems kinda obvious now. I will keep an eye out and post if what I orginally thought was indeed written somewhere, otherwise: CASE CLOSED.....thanks ANAME

Cbr129 · #29 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace Capone

You know for some reason, I feel like I read somewhere that: a)Joseph Simone and his family lived at the house, at some point, where the body was found and b) Ms. Simone discarded the headstone because it wasn't the right size or didn't look good enough; or something like that, but I am most likely wrong (as usual!). Now I'm thinking "am I moron" because what ANAME is saying makes complete sense and seems kinda obvious now. I will keep an eye out and post if what I orginally thought was indeed written somewhere, otherwise: CASE CLOSED.....thanks ANAME

So if someone dug a hole that was 6X6x4 in your yard that is 12X10X10, you would not find any thing unusual about this?

aname · #30 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cbr129

So if someone dug a hole that was 6X6x4 in your yard that is 12X10X10, you would not find any thing unusual about this?

Well, for one thing, a full sized grave most likely wasn't dug for the burial of this body. They were working on a garden, not digging an inground pool or something when they discovered the body. So, I think it's safe to assume that the hole originally dug wasn't anywhere near 6 feet deep.

In the 70s who knows what happened? A contractor or other person related to the project could have been living in the house at the time.. it could have been abandoned, or empty.. the residents at the time could have been having work done and the contractors buried the body when they weren't looking.. the resident could have been paid off, it could have been done at night or when people were on vacation, etc. etc. etc.