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Old 10-23-2007, 05:52 PM
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... in a post-9/11 world..
Is there a more annoying phrase in the english language? What the hell does a parking garage have to do with 9-11?
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2) Why the heck would one say the ground where a brewery once stood is a "toxic waste dump"?? The place has been a food producing site for.. how many years? What would they have possibly dumped on-ground that would have been toxic?

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Is there a more annoying phrase in the english language? What the hell does a parking garage have to do with 9-11?

ask a New Yorker...they seem to be the ones who use it the most.
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wouldn't excavating the ground be a good idea? you could take the dirt away and have it "cleaned" somewhere (i think it usually involves exposure to the air). or is it that noxious gases would leach into underground basement/parking area? just curious...
The way to deal with these site from what I read is to remove the top soil and then burry it and cement it off and move new soil on top of that.

For an example of that go over to the part at 3rd and Brown.
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Does anyone have an update of what went down at the zoning meeting Tuesday?
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Is there a more annoying phrase in the english language? What the hell does a parking garage have to do with 9-11?
Well, we can go back to the original bombing of the WTC if you would like.

What do I mean by it? I mean I would not put a parking garage under/underground a large tower that I'm building.

it's too difficult to secure such a facility against the potential threat of carbombs.
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Northern Liberties residents demand Tower Investments share information about cleaning up environmental contamination at the former Schmidt's Brewery site.
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=10608
Yeah, thanks.. I'm familiar with the story (read it ages ago).. and I know at least a few of the people involved, specifically related to such topics.

It seems like the contractor was illegally burying contaminated sand from another site, in hopes of disposing of it without anybody noticing. That's the only way one could really call this property a "toxic waste dump." I think doing so otherwise, is really alarmist and makes the situation seem a lot worse than it actually is.

The other stuff is pretty common for sites all over the place; and may be the result of contamination from other nearby sites -- such as the gasoline -- groundwater could easily be contaminated from a gas station or other property where it was stored quite a bit away. Things could be a lot worse, and the actual contamination from it's history as a food producing site since 1856 is probably only a small part of what may have been detected. Things may also be blown up out of proportion by speculation and hype.

There are MANY different ways to deal with any potential (or suspected) contamination, and capping it off is only one way to do so. It also doesn't seem to be an appropriate way for the long-term development of this site as is planned.
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Well, we can go back to the original bombing of the WTC if you would like.

What do I mean by it? I mean I would not put a parking garage under/underground a large tower that I'm building.

it's too difficult to secure such a facility against the potential threat of carbombs.
So now we can't ever build below grade?!? I think the terrorists just won...

The ratio of carbombings to underground parking is so minute, your statement doesn't even deserve being taken seriously.
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There's a write up in the Metro:

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So now we can't ever build below grade?!? I think the terrorists just won...

The ratio of carbombings to underground parking is so minute, your statement doesn't even deserve being taken seriously.
And your reading of my statement is so ridiculously flawed that I won't say what it deserves...

WHERE the heck did I say anything about not building below grade? Nowhere. Infact I said they would probably HAVE to excavate to build their plans.

What I said is that *I* would not wish to put a parking deck below a building. I think the risks of doing so are too great. Sure the current ratio of carbombs to underground parking is currently small, and the carbombing incidents in this country are currently also small, but I'm thinking of risk aversion and mitigation possibilities for the future. If you're going to pour millions into a new structure, it would certainly be wise to evaluate the future possibilities of terrorism and war, and I would think insurance amongst other issues would require you to evaluate such possibilities.

Need parking? Build a separate parking deck or garage, or utilize underground mechanical parking systems on your open space.

It's not a matter of how common these things are now, but how easy you want to make it for someone to cause havok in the future. I think for the long now.
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