those seem to be broken down by police district. i think the inquirer methodology paints a more accurate picture cuz it's based on actual points and not geographic areas. also notice that the 2nd map is from 1998.

There is absolutely NO WAY to discredit what the Inky. map shows. Its 1 year old data which shows the worst offense: shootings.

I could care less if car robberies are lower in Strawberry Mansion than Center City....if the shooting frequency is one of the worst in the city.

I drove through SM everyday for 5 years on my way to my former University. SM is a war zone, make no mistake about it.

however, if there is sustained interest in brewerytown the city should make a point to target crime in this area. It has all the makings of a great city neighborhood if the city can reduce crime significantly. some of the best housing and park access in the city.

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I think if you're looking at the part of Strawberry Mansion right off the park, by Ridge Ave/33rd St, etc. that will be a nice area in the next 10 yrs sometime... The houses over there which are not fallen in/condemned are interesting, very inexpensive right now, and large on many streets - beautiful Victorian homes which would be gorgeous with some reno. work - some have those towers in them, a lot like West Phila near Spruce Hill, Cedar Park etc. They could make nice housing for working artists, students, large families. There are already couples and families who are buying them and renovating them piece by piece, and living there... I always used to get sad driving by to downtown when I was a kid, passing all these gorgeous decaying shells of houses...

It's easily accessible to some highways as well, the buses run late through some of these areas, and it's not far to get into town. People will want to live somewhere that they can be close to a green space and those spaces are running out quickly in philly. As more couples and families buy these places and renovate, the investors will obviously move in and do a bunch of renos and then sell to more affluent couples and families, etc. The only thing is that there aren't a lot of amenities there now, like supermarkets, restaurants for new residents to use, and unfortunately the current neighborhood residents probably don't make an attractive investment potential (sad but reality, it's a very blighted area with uneducated and unemployed people)... but if this Brewerytown thing gets built and is popular, and has shopping, it's not that far for some new Strawberry Mansion residents to head there until shopping is available for them in their neighborhood. It will be cheaper for a while than some of the Brewerytown areas. (Seems that bubble has gone up and up!) I know that grid is red in a lot of places, but I think that the neighborhood has potential of turning around. It won't happen overnight though.

I think Malloy overuses this map. Yes it is a useful tool - but it does not tell the whole story. He always referes to it as the 'Murder Map" which it is not - it is a shooting map.

I assume that statistically if you yourself do not carry a gun and you do not particpate in illegal drug activity in this neighborhood your chances of being a victim of gun violence decrease dramatically.

Quit trying to scare people - you've posted this map at least a dozen times.

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Actually, myself and others here on Philly blog erroneously referred to it as murder map at 1st. Once we realized it was a 'shooting' map, we adjusted.

Again, this is just another post that does not dispute the FACT that SM is one of the most dangerous areas in Philly.

What is the other part of the story that you are referring to? Exactly how do i 'overuse' this map?

the murder map is quite useful in telling you how much of this activity goes on. you'd be naive to thinka purple neighbrohood was as safe as, say, manayunk. the murder map is a better name, and so it gets used.

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You've posted the map REPEATEDLY. As I stated the map is relevant but it is not the statistical be all end all and there are other FACTS to consider.

As I stated in the last post there are other factors - besides the prevelence or lack of gun violence in an area that increase or decrease ones chances of being a victim of violent crime.

Sure - all things being equal you are more likely to be shot in SM than in Rittenhouse Square - but all things are not equal - and relying soley on this map to establish the cost/bennefits (for oneself and the neighborhood as a whole and thereby the city) of moving to a neighborhood is faulty logic to say the least.

You have chosen to not live in areas on the map - and that is fine - but I believe that you are not representing the full picture.

FEAR MONGERING: spreading discreditable, misrepresentative information designed
to induce fear and apprehension.

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What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

I'm not sure that malloy is condoning using only oen resource to evaluate a neighborhood but it is a valuable tool.

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