Savannah's restaurant - Page 2 - PhillyBlog

KYTOPA · #11 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by psano001

I haven't been there either but it's been there for many years now. I'd actually like to hear from anyone who's been there. php[/url]

We live just down the block from Savannah's and went there a couple of months ago. Although the outside looks rather rundown, the interior is quite attractive--dimly lit, nice colors, romantic. It seemed to be a nicely turned out younger crowd, mostly at the bar. Only one other table was occupied. I'm not sure the "soul food" description really fits. They have a very short menu, upscale, fairly pricey for pretty small portions, perhaps loosely based on ingredients with a "soul" connection. What we had was quite good, but we found the bar selections surprisingly limited. The service was certainly courteous, but not especially warm and friendly. It occurred to me to wonder if they might not consider older white folks to be among their target clientele.

I think they have live music, but we were either too early or on the wrong night, so I can't report on that.

LivingAllOver · #12 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007, 09:31 PM

What kind of a crack is that? I don't walk by Alma de Cuba or Brasserie Perrier and ask if it is safe. Attitudes of people like you is why African Americans like me with an education and with values who aren't begging the government for handouts want to leave and go to real cities like the one I come from---NYC. You people make me sick!!

Maybe instead of asking for integration on your terms which is the way it almost always has been you should just get over your a@# and go in and behave like a normal human being. Treat people decently and maybe you'll receive decent treatment in return. You think it's hard for you to walk in as the only white person in the room? You try doing that in highschool and at your Ivy League college and law school. Then come talk to me.

BTW, jerk-off the food at Savannah's is fantastic. Why shouldn't soul food be more than $15 a plate? They're not selling platters out of a food truck and this is not a church fish fry; they have a building to pay rent on and employees to hire.

I'mSoRad2.0 · #13 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007, 11:03 PM

I'm a person of color.

If NYC is so great, and since it's "real" city and all.

Then why'd you leave?

Instead of throwing negative energy back out into the universe, do the opposite. Throw postive energy out.

We know how it might be "uncomfortable" for us as minorities to enter a room full of white folks.
We might get a bad feeling.

So why make another person feel that same bad feeling?

Imagine how "uncomfortable" a white person might feel when they enter a room full of minorities.

I don't like experiencing that bad feeling. So I definately don't want another human being to experience how uncomfortable I felt.

I'd go out of my way to be warm and welcoming.
See, that's how you solve the problems in this world. With kindness.

If you were born in the south instead of nyc you maybe would have more insight into how life works.

LivingAllOver · #14 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007, 11:46 PM

Oh So Rad, but here is a little bit of my story.

I left NYC to go to grad school several years ago. I decided to stay because I like Philly. There's a lot going on here to enjoy. Since the South is so great why didn't you stay down there? Or are situations like what is happening to the Jena 6 something that you aren't willing to put up with? Yeah I guess down south there is a ton of insight on how life works when people in 2006 are still hanging nooses off of trees to threaten black folks.

I should not have to "move back" to NYC to be treated with respect and like a human being. Do white people have to move from place to place to ensure that they are treated with decency and respect and judged as individuals and not subject to a ton of stereotypes when they walk into a room?

Why is that a black person has to put up with treatment as a 2nd class citizen? Why is it that after not getting pregnant as a teen and not being on welfare and all other the things that are killing the black community, that after I have achieved and given to a community, I have to have the added burden of being twice as nice, twice as polite and twice as good in order to ensure that I get basic decent treatment when I go into a store or a restaurant? Why do I need to tip over 20% in order for waitstaff to know that yeah, she's not your typical cheap black tip, she's good people? I could cite many more examples but if you are black you need to be twice as good to get half as far. Ask any black adult and they'll tell you.

You might find this kind of stuff acceptable, but for me the pedestrian and parochial attitudes of the people in this city are not acceptable. I will not tolerate them and let stuff slide by without comment. And I will be in someone's face be they white, black or green if they try to treat me in a manner that is less than appropriate. If you are good to me I will be good to you, but if you are rude and unkind based on the idea that I'm not good enough to be in your establishment or some such other canard, be prepared to deal with me.

It is precisely BECAUSE I know what it feels like to be the only one in a classroom or at a tony establishment, it is because I have lived my life where I am open to being around diverse groups of people that I tell the OP to suck it up when they go to Savannah's. Stop being suck a punk b$%^h and walk in there and be nice. They might be surprised at what they get.

See I have plenty of insight on how life works. Somethings in life need to change.

earl1003 · #15 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007, 08:51 PM

you really have a HUGE CHIP ON YOUR SHOLDER, I simply asked a question because the place appears dingey on the outside, anyone who has seen it probalbly agrees, every comment, or commentator is not a racist conspiracy. I think you should examine why you have jumped to this assinine conclusion. P.S. I have also questioned other establichments in the past

#16 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LivingAllOver

Oh So Rad, but here is a little bit of my story.

I left NYC to go to grad school several years ago. I decided to stay because I like Philly. There's a lot going on here to enjoy. Since the South is so great why didn't you stay down there? Or are situations like what is happening to the Jena 6 something that you aren't willing to put up with? Yeah I guess down south there is a ton of insight of how life works when people in 2006 are still hanging nooses off of trees to threaten black folks.

I should not have to "move back" to NYC to be treated with respect and like a human being. Do white people have to move from place to place to ensure that they are treated with decency and respect and judged as individuals and not subject to a ton of stereotypes when they walk into a room?

Why is that a black person has to put up with treatment as a 2nd class citizen? Why is it that after not getting pregnant as a teen and not being on welfare and all other the things that are killing the black community, that after I have achieved and given to a community, I have to have the added burden of being twice as nice, twice as polite and twice as good in order to ensure that I get basic decent treatment when I go into a store or a restaurant? Why do I need to tip over 20% in order for waitstaff to know that yeah, she's not your typical cheap black tip, she's good people? I could cite many more examples but if you are black you need to be twice as good to get half as far. Ask any black adult and they'll tell you.

You might find this kind of stuff acceptable, but ror me the pedestrian and parochial attitudes of the people in this city are not acceptable. I will not tolerate them and let stuff slide by without comment. And I will be in someone's face be they white, black or green if they try to treat me in a manner that is less than appropriate. If you are good to me I will be good to you, but if you are rude and unkind based on the idea that I'm not good enough to be in your establishment or some such other canard, be prepared to deal with me.

It is precisely BECAUSE I know what it feels like to be the only one in a classroom or at a tony establishment, it is because I have lived my life where I am open to being around diverse groups of people that I tell the OP to suck it up when they go to Savannah's. Stop being suck a punk b$%^h and walk in there and be nice. They might be surprised at what they get.

See I have plenty of insight on how life works. Somethings in life need to change.

I hate to say it, but you're asking the question: why do people assume that I'm a normal black person, when I'm not. Unfortunately, that says it all. Your problem, which is not your fault, stems from the black community and nowhere else.

bluecuracao · #17 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by earl1003

you really have a HUGE CHIP ON YOUR SHOLDER, I simply asked a question because the place appears dingey on the outside, anyone who has seen it probalbly agrees, every comment, or commentator is not a racist conspiracy. I think you should examine why you have jumped to this assinine conclusion. P.S. I have also questioned other establichments in the past

I've seen Savannah, and frankly, I don't understand why you wouldn't have the courage to enter, or why you would question whether it was 'safe' or not. I think you should examine why you have jumped to this assinine conclusion.

Next time you're curious about an establishment, why don't you just go in and report back to us on your experience?

Ms. Ann Thorpe · #18 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAdlerian

I hate to say it, but you're asking the question: why do people assume that I'm a normal black person, when I'm not. Unfortunately, that says it all. Your problem, which is not your fault, stems from the black community and nowhere else.

His problem is people like you. Period.

GreggPHL · #19 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by niel

Now, now. No personal attacks, please. If the guy doesn't like grits, then that's his business.

Niel, if you're interested in other personal attacks, I recommend you look at the comments posted by earl*** with regard to my post about parking and a location on 16th street.

SprinGie · #20 (**permalink**) 09-25-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAdlerian

I hate to say it, but you're asking the question: why do people assume that I'm a normal black person, when I'm not. Unfortunately, that says it all. Your problem, which is not your fault, stems from the black community and nowhere else.

The question is actually: why do people assume that LivingAllOver is a stereotypical black person. LivingAllOver's problem stems from closed minded people and nowhere else.