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Old 07-20-2007, 02:35 PM
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Why such small first floor windows? On the whole, the street level doesn't seem to be much more attractive than if it had the garage doors...
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Why such small first floor windows? On the whole, the street level doesn't seem to be much more attractive than if it had the garage doors...
I would assume those are windows to the garage.
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drive up to the location... you'll drive past the 30+ shops on w girard and 100 yards later you'll see a rusted fence surrounding weed cracked parking lot that gets little to no use. I think what is going there is 1000 times better than what is there. I'll nit-pick over window sizes after they go after illegal dumping going on in what was the back street area (since demolished) across the street.

If I remember from the plans the first floor consists of 2 storage areas, two 2 car parking garages and the stairs going upstairs to the two units. I'm pretty sure it isn't much a livable space.
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I agree with gorilla..and thunda

It could be a better development, but for now, at that location, it ain't bad.

There was a plan for townhomes at 26th and Poplar 2-3 years ago (NE corner). It was squashed to some degree because the driveways were in the front (mind you on the side of the street that does not have street parking so there was no impact on street parking) and the thye needed a height variance (wanted to build 4 stories).

That is not ideal..but better than the abandonded building there now.

It would be grea to get one project going and start refining on the next one
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Why such small first floor windows? On the whole, the street level doesn't seem to be much more attractive than if it had the garage doors...
i agree, those 1st flr windows look like ass and are little different than having garages on the front. they remind me of the windows on those new townhouses on the corner of 24th and perot.

those front doors could also use a little more elevation instead of being almost at grade w/ the sidewalk.

thx for the rendering rob.
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IThere was a plan for townhomes at 26th and Poplar 2-3 years ago (NE corner). It was squashed to some degree because the driveways were in the front (mind you on the side of the street that does not have street parking so there was no impact on street parking) and the thye needed a height variance (wanted to build 4 stories).
and this is why I think we need to keep fairmount CDC out of such things(as a previous post had suggested)... as a resident of btown we need to be the masters our own destiny not become "fairmount lite."

no offense meant toward fairmount cdc.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:33 PM
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and this is why I think we need to keep fairmount CDC out of such things(as a previous post had suggested)... as a resident of btown we need to be the masters our own destiny not become "fairmount lite."

no offense meant toward fairmount cdc.
fairmount lite, i like that!
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and this is why I think we need to keep fairmount CDC out of such things(as a previous post had suggested)... as a resident of btown we need to be the masters our own destiny not become "fairmount lite."

no offense meant toward fairmount cdc.


Agree. But worrying about the size of windows in new development at 1200 N 27th is wasted energy. I would say the Fairmount "thumbs down" to the 26ht and Poplar idea was, well, dumb.

Again, as is, this project is a good thing. I hope people do not move against it over window size.
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Because that's not how good urban planning works. You consider one areas density and then plan accordingly. Different cases for different neighborhoods as no 2 are the same. The area around and near Brewerytown has been one of the hardest hit areas of population decline in Philadelphia. Now that the area is making a comeback it needs a strong commercial corridor first ie W. Girard. It doesnt quit matter though as a number of corner properties over the years on purely residental street, especially in Lower NE, have become bodegas and what have you.
Good urban planning also allows for the fact that the neighborhood will grow, area density will change, and that when it does, certain services will be necessary to help it sustain that growth and draw people into the neighborhood for different reasons. Good neighborhoods have attractions and amenities not only for residents but also for non-residents who come to shop, work, visit friends, etc.

W. Girard should be a strong commercial corridor, but it can't bear the whole burden of commercial space for the area. Larger stores, stores frequented by the city population at large, should go along this street. Smaller stores, cafes, and restaurants can fit nicely in the more residential areas off of Girard. Why should someone who just wants a carton of milk, a coffee, or a sandwich be required to go to more than a few blocks to get it?

New developments should be designed to take this growth and change into consideration. Accepting buildings just because they're better than nothing or because they fit-in with the current dynamic of the neighborhood is a recipe for disaster. It is very difficult to come back to these buildings years later, when you now wish that they would have included retail space or not lined the street with garage doors, and right such wrongs.

Retail space and active street-life are necessary components for any thriving neighborhood and there should be a recognition of this fact in all proposed new developments and in our critiques of them.

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