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Old 07-18-2008, 01:54 PM
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this is like an LBomb question, maybe he'll see it...

those categories are based on what the "victim" says happened, right?

in other words, if the perpetrator says he has a gun, the incident will be logged as "robbery by gun" even if it later turns out it was just his finger, correct?

not that I don't think muggings occur with guns.
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:35 AM
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:55 AM
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those categories are based on what the "victim" says happened, right?

in other words, if the perpetrator says he has a gun, the incident will be logged as "robbery by gun" even if it later turns out it was just his finger, correct?

not that I don't think muggings occur with guns.
Are you trying to comfort yourself by fantasizing that most "robberies at point of gun" are performed without some scuzzball actually having his Highpoint POS gun smuggled in from western Europe by the container load and sold out of the trunk of his favorite homie's hoopdee at steep discount? Just asking.

If someone tells you they have a gun so "give it up (bitch)," with that always comes the implicit threat that they may try to kill you with it. That type of threat is usually motivational to the recipient and that's why guns have become popular with scuzzballs who are dumb enough to think they'll get much by robbing someone.

If that were to happen to you and you were not killed, would it really matter to you all that much if you later learned there was no gun? In terms of risking gunfire in the streets, a credible threat of death is generally enough to allow you to preemt your own murder. Most people consider gunfire in the streets, for whatever reason, to be undesirable, even when legally justified. The law recognizes that and Under PA law, if scuzzball robs someone with a pretend gun they are supposed to get the same 5 year mandatory minimum they would get if they had a real one.
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this is like an LBomb question, maybe he'll see it...

those categories are based on what the "victim" says happened, right?

in other words, if the perpetrator says he has a gun, the incident will be logged as "robbery by gun" even if it later turns out it was just his finger, correct?

not that I don't think muggings occur with guns.
What proof would satisfy you? Unless he's caught in the act or shortly thereafter with the gun, what would prove to you that he had a gun in a given incident? Of course he'll say that he didn't have one if you don't catch him using it.

If someone held you up, would you demand such proof? Would you be relieved if it were only a knife?
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this is like an LBomb question, maybe he'll see it...

those categories are based on what the "victim" says happened, right?

in other words, if the perpetrator says he has a gun, the incident will be logged as "robbery by gun" even if it later turns out it was just his finger, correct?

not that I don't think muggings occur with guns.
It is the same as if the robber had a bb gun or a replica weapon. You do not know whether it is real or not, but you were in fear of getting shot.

Of course his lawyer will use that for his defense. I heard lawyers argue that the gun didn't work or wasn't loaded, so it should be disregarded.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:23 PM
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Are you trying to comfort yourself by fantasizing that most "robberies at point of gun" are performed without some scuzzball actually having his Highpoint POS gun smuggled in from western Europe by the container load and sold out of the trunk of his favorite homie's hoopdee at steep discount? Just asking.....
Does it really matter if the gun is a cheap Saturday night special or a stolen H & K?
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Does it really matter if the gun is a cheap Saturday night special or a stolen H & K?
Well, if you put it that way, no.
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I was just asking a question about the way the crime reports are written, thanks for answering it, OH. that was as I thought.

i'm sure random practices saying "give it up (bitch)" while pulling out his "piece." he fantasizes only on the side of law and order, of course. that is, when he's not trolling the forums looking for the word "gun" to comment on.
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:23 AM
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Can anyone shed light into the raid at 3012 W Girard last night at around 8:30pm? Several radio cars, a couple of unmarked, a van, and officers at nearby corners. I heard some yelling as I drove by, but didn't rubberneck for too long...
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What proof would satisfy you? Unless he's caught in the act or shortly thereafter with the gun, what would prove to you that he had a gun in a given incident? Of course he'll say that he didn't have one if you don't catch him using it.

If someone held you up, would you demand such proof? Would you be relieved if it were only a knife?
I believe that is what the court system is for.
If they found him guilty of X, I have resonable assurance that he did X
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