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alesis · #**301** (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gary_ragel

I'm pretty sure you're making that one up....

HAHAHA...I was. Just wanted to waste some of his time.

My CCmachine is called a neurix, but I have no idea what number it is.

gary_ragel · #**302** (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alesis

HAHAHA...I was. Just wanted to waste some of his time.

My CCmachine is called a neurix, but I have no idea what number it is.

Ah so Neurix = Nurit, just as silo=solo.

alesis · #**303** (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gary_ragel

Ah so Neurix = Nurit, just as silo=solo.

Someone is beginning to learn my methodology.

alesis · #**304** (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 07:02 PM

Gee, a semi-civilized conversation with you. I'm impressed.

I'm not going over every nook and cranny with you because you'll merely make nuances of nuances. I will say, however, that I never said that apple is this perfect lil' company that can do no wrong. I do find it hilarious how people wish to bash apple for things that are wrong with their preferred company.

First people and corporations wished to shout at how the iphone was a "closed architecture", and even companies like verizon began making tv commercials about their open network policies. What became of this? Nothing other than the irony that verizon is the company that has been notorious in limiting blackberry and palms in their abilities to make their network seem faster.

Meanwhile, after years of being in the business, newer blackberry models each have about 2000 programs to chose from depending on their model and carrier(a total of about 4000 programs that are model and/or carrier dependent). Iphone development, after less than a week of being open to applications, have almost 1000 applications available with thousands more being reviewed and approved while this is being typed. Meanwhile, what's the cost of these programs? Blackberry and palm games are as much as $40 while more complex and intuitive iphone games are $5-$10. Business programs that are as much as $75 on these platforms are unnecessary on the iphone due to already included software.

And what about the price? Apple's initial price for the first iphone was still cheaper than I paid for my treo since I was under a ridiculous sprint contract. Meanwhile, what did it cost me this year to switch from an iphone to iphone 3g? The same as a new customer, $199. What does the "iphone killer" cost existing sprint customers right now? $449 for the instinct. $580 for a palm. $550-$600 for blackberries. Oh yeah-Apple is the one with price gouging problems.

Finally, anyone that thinks a smoother integration of hardware and software occured prior to the iphone is just plain lying to themself. Could my treo handle mp3s? Of course-once I made sure each was 16bit, properly converted, and with the proper extension. I then uploaded them into a mini sd card, then put that into my treo which then used an inept version of realplayer. And the opera browser on a palm 3g is about as quick as frozen maple syrup.

You can extrapolate any nuances from my comments and attempt to berate my computer experiences-which merely helps my point. I don't need to be a "computer engineer" or need to know bios, flummox, drivers, cdrives, or whatever other b.s. that is needed to operate windows systems or accessories attached to them. I use my mac and it just does what I need it to. If I want to set up a virtual server on my harddrive to handle mysql and php while building website, all I have to do is put my documents in a folder and it just works. If I want to control my computer over my phone I push a button and it just works. Push email took one button to make it work. A new printer just needs to be pugged in. To make a network between 6 different locations and my laptop I hit a button and added a password.

Sure, they're "just PC's" now that they use intel chips-kinda like target and kenneth cole make the same clothes since they both use fabric.

And as you wish to berate my supposed desire to waste my "disposable income" on macs-I actually looked at sony laptops prior to buying my macbook air. Without even getting into the complexities of software, just the macbook alone is cheaper than a comparable sony laptop. Add the amount of free non-trial software already included on the mac and the answer was obvious. The mac was cheaper, better specs, and overall a better deal for my cash blowin' ways.

So yes my artful genius, I'll leave the complexities to you, as I don't have to think about them since I use apple computers.

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Originally Posted by crk

Thanks, I was busy at work and couldn't google at the moment.. Soo from the article it sounds like the Military is buying some Apple hardware to have a mix.. Nothing along the lines of "switching to apples" which is what you're statement seemed to imply.

Oh and in the very article you linked:
Charlie Miller, a software researcher with Independent Security Evaluators, worries that the Army's diversification plan isn't enough to thwart the bad guys. He sees a two-platform system as a "weakest link" scenario, in which a determined cyber-intruder will seek out the more vulnerable of the two targets. "In the story of the three little pigs, did diversifying their defenses help? Not for the pig in the straw house," he says.
The marketing pitch that Apples are inherently more secure than PCs is also largely a myth, contends Miller, who gained notoriety for remotely hacking the iPhone last August. He points to data gathered by software security firm Secunia, which showed that Apple had to patch nearly five times as many security flaws in its software over the past year as Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) had to patch in Windows. Apple's Quicktime player alone, he says, was patched 34 times. "I love my Macs, but in terms of security, they're behind the curve, compared to Windows," Miller warns.

I'm not really sure where i'm back tracking... If you could explain that to me.... I'd be happy to address it. As for the article.. The problem and flaw with it, is that both PC laptops and Mac Laptops use identical hardware Thats the reason you can Run Vista on a Mac and OS x on a PC. So any apple that "runs Vista better" is PC that can run Vista at the same speed. The only difference between apple and PC's now is the Operating System (OS X vs Vista/Xp), and the design components of laptops/PCs Cases/displays/keyboards etc..

Well Sortof, http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...box360-2.ars/1

Read up on it. Then we can talk.

This..... I mean.. Here... just read these two lines

Mac OS X version 10.0 followed in March 2001

[Win 95] was released on August 24, 1995 by Microsoft,

Now really... you couldn't have thought for two seconds about the problems with that comparison.

Phones certainly do go through revisions.. Theres also the thing that multiple manufactures make "blackberries" And yes It was quite interesting to see the Iphone take up/Grow the market share/ penetration of Unified Devices it does have its attractions.. But its no perfect product. Oh well just kinda ignore the whole apple A$$ raping all their early adopters with that pricing stunt too...

And its funny how you Mock the "Enterprise Argument" which is one of the biggest driving forces for PC technology. And then Comment how you are learning to write Iphone Apps for your Business!!!!!!!

Just because YOU don't need an exchange server, just casue YOU don't get time sensitive email doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't..

As for my 'nonsense' I thought it was pretty clear that my reply was split amongst two seperate topics/quotes (similar to how your and my most recent replies were) But since marketstEl didn't seem to notice that.. and thought it was all aimed at him.. I decided to clarify for him...

MarketStEl · #**305** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 07:59 AM

Okay, I'll take a dart for not separating out a combined post, but no, it wasn't clear to me, especially since it started out casting me as an alesis dittohead. I don't think alesis is talking through hir hat, and I happen to agree with hir on this subject, but my opinions are my own and independently arrived at.

I look at these devices from the perspective of an end user, not an expert. And it's my impression that Apple products in general are easier to comprehend and work with from the start for an end user. (FWIW, I also happen to think that as far as computers are concerned, you still get more bang for the buck with a Wintel box, but they're still higher-maintenance machines IMO.)

I recall a humorous essay that circulated back in the days when Macintoshes were cute little all-in-one blocks and the "fat" Macintosh had a whopping 512K of RAM that argued that "DOS is Protestant while the Macintosh is Catholic" -- meaning that everything was explained for you and laid out neatly in a Macintosh, with no need to go around and explore the inner workings, while it was up to the user to work out his own accommodation with DOS. Windows IMO retains some of that Protestant essence beneath its Catholic robes.

FTR, I'm Episcopalian. That should tell you something.

alesis · #**306** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 08:57 AM

Windows vs. Apple is like debating ketchup and mustard-it's nothing more than personal choice.

As for retail stores, I think apple is winning ...hehe

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Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Okay, I'll take a dart for not separating out a combined post, but no, it wasn't clear to me, especially since it started out casting me as an alesis dittohead. I don't think alesis is talking through hir hat, and I happen to agree with hir on this subject, but my opinions are my own and independently arrived at.

I look at these devices from the perspective of an end user, not an expert. And it's my impression that Apple products in general are easier to comprehend and work with from the start for an end user. (FWIW, I also happen to think that as far as computers are concerned, you still get more bang for the buck with a Wintel box, but they're still higher-maintenance machines IMO.)

I recall a humorous essay that circulated back in the days when Macintoshes were cute little all-in-one blocks and the "fat" Macintosh had a whopping 512K of RAM that argued that "DOS is Protestant while the Macintosh is Catholic" -- meaning that everything was explained for you and laid out neatly in a Macintosh, with no need to go around and explore the inner workings, while it was up to the user to work out his own accommodation with DOS. Windows IMO retains some of that Protestant essence beneath its Catholic robes.

FTR, I'm Episcopalian. That should tell you something.

sw1863 · #**307** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by MarketStEl
Okay, I'll take a dart for not separating out a combined post, but no, it wasn't clear to me, especially since it started out casting me as an alesis dittohead. I don't think alesis is talking through hir hat, and I happen to agree with hir on this subject, but my opinions are my own and independently arrived at.

I look at these devices from the perspective of an end user, not an expert. And it's my impression that Apple products in general are easier to comprehend and work with from the start for an end user. (FWIW, I also happen to think that as far as computers are concerned, you still get more bang for the buck with a Wintel box, but they're still higher-maintenance machines IMO.)

I recall a humorous essay that circulated back in the days when Macintoshes were cute little all-in-one blocks and the "fat" Macintosh had a whopping 512K of RAM that argued that "DOS is Protestant while the Macintosh is Catholic" -- meaning that everything was explained for you and laid out neatly in a Macintosh, with no need to go around and explore the inner workings, while it was up to the user to work out his own accommodation with DOS. Windows IMO retains some of that Protestant essence beneath its Catholic robes.

FTR, I'm Episcopalian. That should tell you something. end quote
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I love the comparison - I find the mac more reliable - haven't had a problem with much at all in 5 yrs. Much easier to use that way and haven't had to worry about viruses.

More grace to make mistakes...

FTR, I'm Episcopalian too - which tells me everything!

I guess more of a moderate anglo-catholic at heart - which says even more.

Winston · #**308** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 10:33 AM

That essay was by highbrow Italian writer and professor of semiotics Umberto Eco:

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Originally Posted by Umberto Eco

The fact is that the world is divided between users of the Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS is Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counter-reformist and has been influenced by the ratio studiorum of the Jesuits. It is cheerful, friendly, conciliatory; it tells the faithful how they must proceed step by step to reach — if not the kingdom of Heaven — the moment in which their document is printed. It is catechistic: The essence of revelation is dealt with via simple formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a right to salvation.

DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions, imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted the idea that not all can achieve salvation. To make the system work you need to interpret the program yourself: Far away from the baroque community of revelers, the user is closed within the loneliness of his own inner torment.

You may object that, with the passage to Windows, the DOS universe has come to resemble more closely the counter-reformist tolerance of the Macintosh. It's true: Windows represents an Anglican-style schism, big ceremonies in the cathedral, but there is always the possibility of a return to DOS to change things in accordance with bizarre decisions: When it comes down to it, you can decide to ordain women and gays if you want to.

Naturally, the Catholicism and Protestantism of the two systems have nothing to do with the cultural and religious positions of their users. One may wonder whether, as time goes by, the use of one system rather than another leads to profound inner changes. Can you use DOS and be a Vande supporter? And more: Would Celine have written using Word, WordPerfect, or Wordstar? Would Descartes have programmed in Pascal?

And machine code, which lies beneath and decides the destiny of both systems (or environments, if you prefer)? Ah, that belongs to the Old Testament, and is talmudic and cabalistic. The Jewish lobby, as always....

sw1863 · #**309** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 10:39 AM

Fabulous!!!

MayfairMeat · #**310** (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 11:43 AM

I still miss OS/2.

For the first couple of years of Windows95... OS/2 3.0 and 4.0 continued to kick Win95's butt.

Windows95 originally didn't even ship with a decent web browser or internet dialer!!! The OEM release of Windows95 finally included a DUN that worked (original release of W95 could only reliably connect to WindowsNT RAS servers).

OS/2 from release 2.11 on up included a SLIP dialer and if you went to IBM's download site, you could update your operating system to dial with PPP... it involved installing a Fixpack. You had to have several blank diskettes and boot off diskette to install the Fixpack, and then boom--you had a full TCP/IP stack with a good PPP dialer so you could dial into your ISP directly if you weren't using CompuServe for OS/2.

On Windows, almost everybody was still using AOHell or CompuServe for Windows to get online... and most of the time you weren't even on the internet but living inside AOL's or CompuServe's network.

You were really a geek if you were the kind of person who bypassed all that and dialed directly to a Unix terminal and got on the internet that way (PC-COMM, Hyperterminal, etc).

I was online WAY before any of my friends were, and I got my parents addicted to the Internet when I upgraded their computers from DOS to OS/2, many many years ago.

Unfortunately for my grandma, who was in her 80s back then, she never did like using a mouse so she stuck with DOS and kept running her businesses on it. When I networked her offices up I had to do a balancing back between employees running OS/2 and DOS-in-a-box, and DOS-only computers.

As complex as that crap was to setup--it never had to be upgraded for 11 years.

IBM wrote some really good software back then, and most of OS/2 was written in Austin, TX. I got to meet many of the programmers on that team when I was a teenager.