And based on your attitude, I think I speak for many residents in saying that we're happy not to have you living here.

__________________
"Everything that guy just said is bull$h!t! Thank you."

-- Vincent LaGuardia Gambini

i second that emotion.

__________________
Freudian Slips: when you say one thing but mean your mother

I'll third it.

__________________
You know, the homeless make desperate, passionate lovers. But they will rob you blind.

Zannebar, are you still here? Need more help? Find anything yet?

__________________


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCiKCxfYqE

"If we can't learn from our mistakes, what's the point of making them!" ...my friend Richard.

"You are protected by the enormity of your stupidity." Mother to son Victor, in "Notorious"

Ah, you can all bite me, 'cept Malloy and Billy as they are reasonable.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but people have been leaving the city since there was a means to leave and jobs to go to.

And have you looked at the cost of private school lately? I strongly disagree that the outlay on one or two cars makes it a wash.

Even the schools...Masterman is the only one in the state ranked in the top 100 nationwide. As is Conestoga. Meanwhile there are at least 10 great suburban school districts, 40 or 50 more really good ones...sorry the city does not cut it in this regard.

And everyone I know who gets out of the city for school or work, sooner or later moves out, especially if they have children.

The city will continue to be better for singles and empty nesters for quite a while. Hopefully the new mayor will crack down on the gun violence and criminals and clean up the streets and make things better for everyone.

I welcome the Renaissance, and maybe one day I will move into the city as well. But that will be after my kids are raised and have graduated college...

enjoy driving the kids around to everything on $4/gallon gas

it's not that we don't understand why it might be easier to raise kids in the suburbs. it's the nastiness about those who choose not to that we dislike.

Not "everyone" moves out of the city for their kids. There are quite a few posters on these boards who show the opposite. my neighborhood (Fairmount) is fairly crawling with kids whose parents could choose to live elsewhere, as is Queen Village, Chestnut Hill, Mount Airy and others.

I was raised in NYC before it was the richie rich playground it is now, and would never have exchanged my interesting, independent, diverse, urban childhood for the boring suburban upbringing that my college friends related. I can also tell you that I did a whole lot less drugs and drinking than my suburban friends because there were a lot more interesting things to do than that in the city. there is a reason why all the kids raised in the suburbs want to live in the city, you know.

Lumping the whole city together is really unfair and annoying. Yes, there are desperate parts of the city, but I bet there are quite unpleasant areas within a short distance from your suburban paradise that you wouldn't spend a lot of time in, but find it easy to avoid. it is the same here. But it's nice to know you think someday the city 'might' be okay for you.

__________________
Adlerian PLEASE SEEK ANOTHER THERAPIST, this one IS NOT WORKING

Unfortunately, my alma mater, St. Joe's Prep, is now about 70% kids from the suburbs, down from 50% in my graduating class. It has become such an issue that the school is belatedly taking steps to maintain diversity in its student body. At the same time, people generally accept the claim that Lower Merion Township has the best public school system in the suburbs, maybe even the state. I note that Baldwin, Akiba Hebrew, Friends' Central, Haverford, Agnes Irwin, and, for the present, Episcopal, are all in Lower Merion Township. As a matter of fact, half of the kids in LM don't even use the vaunted public school system - I know, because I attended high school with many of them. What does that say about the desirability of the suburban public school systems? Orrmobl, you place too much faith in what you are told. Our governor went to private school (in NYC), as did our mayor (the Prep) and our president (Andover). I haven't broken down city council yet, but I know Kenney, O'Neill, and Greenlee all went to the Prep, and I just found out this weekend that Bill Green went to Penn Charter, which is traitorious because his father and grandfather are Prep men.

I grew up in the city. As a kid, we hung on the corners and got in trouble b/c we had nothing to do. I was a geek, but most of my friends were bad dudes.

Most people I know who grew up in the city moved to the burbs. Human nature to what what you never had?

No less annoying that bashing the 'suburbs'

Bad dudes are everywhere. Has nothing to do with where you live. In the suburbs you just hang out in the basement or the mall.

Maybe. You couldn't pay me to live in the 'burbs myself, not the sprawly ones. The inner-ring, possibly. I find car culture wierd and off-putting, which I always attributed to being raised differently.


a. he started it.
b. the bottom line assumption here seems to be that only irresponsible crackheads raise their children in the city. not true. i'm not bashing the suburbs (tho' I personally do not like them), I and others are just pointing out they have their drawbacks too.

it's like if you choose not to have children, people are always asking, "so, what made you make that decision?" no one asks people WITH children, "so, what made you decide to do that?" The assumption of a norm is just obnoxious however you cut it.

There isn't one way for people to raise their children. if responsible people choose the city, whose business is it to bash that choice?

__________________
Adlerian PLEASE SEEK ANOTHER THERAPIST, this one IS NOT WORKING

I'm a former resident of Fairmount, it is a great neighborhood, and I loved living there; however when my kids reached school age i decided to move to haverford township, not only for the great public schools, but also for the quality of life the kids enjoy. Haverford has an excellent recreation department with baseball, football, hockey, lacross, soccer and field hockey available to the kids, neighborhood kids aren't murdered and generally aren't jumped while going to school; and there is an abundance of summer activities, with minimal fees. I won't knock anyone who stays in the city, My wife and I plan to return to fairmount when our kids are finished school