New Study Says The Burbs Make You Sick - Page 5 - PhillyBlog

Malloy · #41 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 01:40 PM

I love how you assume I live in the burbs, since I post some possibly 'anti-city' stats.

Is my 'location' not clear?

Anyways, the actual crime/poverty/trash/etc drive people away from the city. These factors also keep those who may have lived in the city in the past, out for good. Remember, you yuppies moving in are a small part of the actual population.

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Originally Posted by wysong

btw malloy, what you mentioned about the amount of murders in philly...that's got everything to do with social issues and nothing to do with land use patterns. and considering current trends, all that lower-income rifraff that typically commit such crimes in the inner city and inner ring suburbs are slowly being pushed out into your neighborhood. so you better hurry up and get into the city!

Dave · #42 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Madgirl

I did the reverse commute (CC to Haddonfield and then to Roxborough) for 6 years.

I would kill for that kind of "reverse commute" :rolling_:

Geno · #43 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 02:07 PM

JH Kunstler's latest rant on suburbia. He's always over the top, but I think he's passionate in a good cause:

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September 27, 2004
John Tierney's piece in the New York Times Sunday Magazine ("The Autonomist Manifesto") can only be interpreted as a sign that this country is really in trouble. When the newspaper of record promotes the idea that suburban sprawl is a great thing, you can conclude that America has a death wish.
Tierney invokes the ideas of two libertarian crazies currently functioning as chief shills for the status quo: Randall O'Toole and Peter Huber. O'Toole, of the one-man Thoreau Institute, has been inveighing against railroads and the New Urbanism in recent years. He regards motoring as the ultimate libertarian right and public good and any attempt to modify America's extreme car dependency as an "elitist" plot.
Huber, author of the remarkably snotty and idiotic book Hard Green, argues that virtually all modern ecological activism and policy have been not just a waste of time but have produced only negative results. Huber writes: "We discern no ineluctable tie at all between nature's decline and humanity's."
That the New York Times would pimp for the positions of these two assholes demonstrates our culture's desperate determination to resist change that circumstances will impose on us whether we like it or not. After all, Tierney, O'Toole, and Huber's notions about the wonderfulness of our entropic lifestyle are based on the prime assumption that it can continue. Events, meanwhile, clearly show that the price of prolonging our sick dependency on cars and the oil they require will be the blood of American soldiers shed in the sands of Iraq and other oil-rich place we are compelled to secure and defend.
My own sense of things is that the American public is deeply conflicted over the choice we face -- to live differently or to struggle to maintain the previous investment in our drive-in utopia -- and the Times article indicates that the public will fail to resolve this internal conflict. The result will be a descent into economic hardship and political turbulence here in the US. We will flail and convulse instead of getting our house in order. America will have a long and costly tantrum, and we will emerge from it a lesser nation isolated in our hemisphere.

Malloy · #44 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 02:12 PM

Does anyone have a link to pollution stats?

Broken down by:

personal auto
cargo vehicles (semis/ships)
mass transit (bus/train)
manufacturing
etc?

I can not find anything that lists them all.

Dave · #45 (**permalink**) 10-01-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Malloy

Does anyone have a link to pollution stats?

Broken down by:

personal auto
cargo vehicles (semis/ships)
mass transit (bus/train)
manufacturing
etc?

I can not find anything that lists them all.

That probably varies widely based on where you are and what particular pollutants are most abundand there.

Here's the listing of PA counties and their break-downs of sources for each pollutant:

http://www.creativemethods.com/airqu.../pennsylvania/

and here're stats for Phila country:

http://www.creativemethods.com/airqu...adelphia_a.htm

and Phila country continued:

http://www.creativemethods.com/airqu...adelphia_b.htm

The stats for suburban counties can be reached through the first link.

snooble · #46 (**permalink**) 10-02-2004, 09:10 PM

As much as I like my new job (week one down!) I miss my CC location. It still takes me the same amount of time to get to work now (South Philly to Warminster) as it did before, but I miss a lot of things--like the people on the bus, walking around during lunch to one of many stores. The other day I needed to get money from the ATM during lunch and have to drive down the street to Wawa. I'm thinking if I can brave the CC drivers I'd like to ride my bike to Market East and grab the R2 to work. I'm less than a mile from the station.

Right now I'm in a disagreement with my husband--I'd like to move to Mount Airy and he wants to move outside the city. Considering he doesn't have a driver's license, I think my option is better :roll:

eldondre · #47 (**permalink**) 10-03-2004, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by snooble

As much as I like my new job (week one down!) I miss my CC location. It still takes me the same amount of time to get to work now (South Philly to Warminster) as it did before, but I miss a lot of things--like the people on the bus, walking around during lunch to one of many stores. The other day I needed to get money from the ATM during lunch and have to drive down the street to Wawa. I'm thinking if I can brave the CC drivers I'd like to ride my bike to Market East and grab the R2 to work. I'm less than a mile from the station.

Right now I'm in a disagreement with my husband--I'd like to move to Mount Airy and he wants to move outside the city. Considering he doesn't have a driver's license, I think my option is better :roll:

agreed snooble. at least you are close to a train station. I had dinner at mcmenamin's in mt airy tonight...mmmm.

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