i'll be buggered. Interestingly, that sounds like a better setup than what we have now. I remember seeing photos of a ped bridge connecting broad st station with the east side of broad but now that's you mentioned this, maybe it was connecting to city hall rather than some building across from what is broad on the north side or maybe it connected to the office buildings located where . so dilworth plaza was really created by the Pennsy and not part of the square. thanks.now that sandy's got me thinking. what if dilworth redesign not only included making arch two way, but if we eliminated the MSB plaza and the depressed entrance (I used to use it, I have still never seen more homeless than that area) and allowed for the construction of a highrise at the corner of the city hall circle.

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but the bums use it because of its design. lots of benches, cut off from the street (eye level)

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The elevated part along 15th is a homeless camp. SOmeone needs to bring a firehose and scatter the riff-raff. Get them into shelters or to areas that arent frequented by tourists. It really gives the city a black eye.

The sunken portions I agree with ya.

I think a long term plan it to switch JFK Blvd to two-directional traffic....may mean a number of changes to facilitate that.


Second.


Ped Bridge is minimum 2 Million to be ADA compliant.


We shouldn't ever build a bridge in a city that needs them in about 20 other laces when there is an existing underutilized very expensive to police and maintain underground concourse.


For example..

Penn & Drexel need bridges.. at 33rd and Chestnut among others.

Kelly Drive at the Art Museum for example...mush more bang for the buck


We have tunnels... just light them.


And with the CCD cleaning them...they smell 1000% better

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The Chess pieces are actually sitting above the roof of most of MSB's public offices.

THe depression IS the tunnel to City Hall.

and there is a tunnel from Love to MSB and City Hall and the 15th and Chestnut.

Lighting, and some soap instead of Millions in redesign and construction.


For what it's worth I'd be for removing the Parkway traffic (Making the lanes themselves park) altogether and restoring the grid up to Logan.



Does anyone have a subway concourse map?

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Even if the city leased air rights for that new construction to a developer? Why keep unused concrete and the chess pieces when a tower could be built above MSB's public offices to raise revenue?


Not touching that one...

I'm talking about the elevated portions which have the same effect.
I'm not sure you got what I said. Rather than a useless depressed walkway and plaza (we already have dilworth and LOVE nearby, there really is no need for the chess pieces), sell off the land for construction of a highrise (hotel, office, apt's, etc). put in a staircase and elevator for street access to the tunnels just like the rest of the city. it shoudl net the city revenue, perhaps enough to cover some of the costs of renovating dilworth.

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Isn't the plaza east of the MSB (Reyburn Plaza?) where the BSL curves out from under Broad St? Would it be possible to build a high-rise above a four-track subway tunnel?

Where the chess pieces are..


Isn't just "concrete"


It's the top of all the PWD, Billing, L & I offices.


El...guess you missed the windows in the depressed walkway.


It's integral to MSB function as a building.


Have you ever been in the MSB "basement"

GO check it out.

As you can see when you go everything that seems hard to cross aboveground is very, very accessable below.


My familiarity with this has made me believe we can rip out love park to make the underground MORE accessable.


Love really is only the top of a 5 story garage. A pretty top none the less.

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not sure, I think it may curve under the street. my guess is, based on MSL's earlier comments, that the track was laid cut and cover under broad st which bent around city hall on the west side.
Zur...now that you mention it, I do remember the windows. just because there are a few offices underneath doesn't change the viability of the project. move their offices. why do you think it's integral to the MSB building?
as a third option, maybe you can the MSB building, move the workers uptown to the beury and sell off the entire block for development.

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