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Old 07-06-2008, 03:29 AM
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I looked at that slide presentation for this "interim" trail. I wonder what they'll do to make it more finished or "final." The Schuylkill Banks trail works because it's so separated from the traffic and provides a sense of calm. This one...I don't know. You have to cross a major interstate highway just to get to it, and then what? You're riding along on bikes or walking or jogging just as multi-lane traffic wizzes on by on the Columbus Blvd?
Deleware Ave already has bike lanes, so you can already enjoy the please of riding with traffic. It's pretty exciting, as you subconsciously complete with the cars, which means you push yourself harder than you would on a normal road.

I don't see what the idea of the casinos as planned and the development of the Delaware waterfront are incompatible; the casino in South Philly is promising a waterfront promenade as part of its third stage of development. Why couldn't that be connected into a larger park/trail plan?

At this point, the two casinos would probably completely redevelop everything between them along the river themselves if it meant they could start construction tomorrow.
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:49 AM
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Something can be always be done or at least encouraged by leadership(which in my opinion is a matter of political will, given the special circumstance of the waterfront, and not ability) to change past mistakes.

Regardless, I was under the impression that council rezoning approval for large projects prior to the recent project in society hill, did not have expirations on their approval, essentially allowing developers to sit on their designs as long as they want, change design virtually at will, or sell the land off to another developer for a higher price after the approval was granted.

If you do happen to know of the expiration for Trump Towers rezoning- please post it. I tried searching myself to no avail.

And while we are at it. What other project have already been approved: Brigman's View, others?
I'm not sure about the approval process. I always assumed that if a design changed, it needed to be resubmitted for approval. If Trump Tower sits around too long, they're going to want to redesign it. It's not stunning architecture as it is.

I don't know if Bridgeman's View was ever approved. I think it's probably the most tasteful of the waterfront projects and respects the streetscape more than the others. It's not directly on the river either, it's set back a block, so it doesn't bogart the waterfront from the public. The ones that are particularly bad for the public are the ones like Waterfront Square and Trump Tower which fence off the waterfront from the public, and sit on a gated, suburban lot. Bridgeman's View is a very urban design.
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Isn't it a project by the same guys who are behind the Headhouse Sq project, which has earned good reviews even from Inga? For some reason, good design gets bitchslapped all the time while things like Symphony House get plastered on the Philly scene without as much fuss.
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Isn't it a project by the same guys who are behind the Headhouse Sq project, which has earned good reviews even from Inga? For some reason, good design gets bitchslapped all the time while things like Symphony House get plastered on the Philly scene without as much fuss.
Yep. Headhouse Square is Stamper Square, right? Yeah, good designs integrated well into the city scape like Stamper Square, Bridgeman's View, the Rimas property at Broad and Washington get blasted by neighborhood organizations, yet places like Waterfront Square and Trump Tower somehow seemed to get little resistance, or at the least, very little publicized resistance. In a lot of respects I think community organizations have less of an issue with isolated, gated projects than they do with integrated urban designs that will actually change their streetscape.
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I thought Bridgeman's View was met with high praise from the neighborhood groups and was further lauded for its cooperation with said groups from the inception of the project...

I'm fairly certain BMV was only halted by its own ambition butting heads with the rising construction costs and slumping real estate market (as it seems many recent projects were slayed by this 1-2 punch... or at least have yet to rise from the canvas)
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Inga Saffron is not an arcitect


She's only the critic because...as she said "no one else wanted to do it"


Why she counts boggles my mind.


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Inga Saffron is not an arcitect

She's only the critic because...as she said "no one else wanted to do it"

Why she counts boggles my mind.
I like reading Inga. Sometimes I agree with her, sometimes I don't. Movie critics are rarely directors, actors, or writers. To qualify one as a critic, you simply need to be an audience participant who has a way with words. Your average Inquirer reader is going to experience architecture on a daily basis, unprofessionally, which is what Inga represents. I think it's good to have a strong civilian voice, particularly for the more notoriously arrogant architects and developers who have lost touch of what those who have to live with it really want.
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Last week, Mayor Nutter embraced much of a Penn Praxis plan to reinvent the Delaware riverfront from Allegheny Avenue south to Oregon Avenue. He pledged to lead the way in turning "this crumbling pier into a green oasis" like the Hudson River parks in Manhattan.
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I like reading Inga. Sometimes I agree with her, sometimes I don't. Movie critics are rarely directors, actors, or writers. To qualify one as a critic, you simply need to be an audience participant who has a way with words. Your average Inquirer reader is going to experience architecture on a daily basis, unprofessionally, which is what Inga represents. I think it's good to have a strong civilian voice, particularly for the more notoriously arrogant architects and developers who have lost touch of what those who have to live with it really want.

I'm more qualified.

For me she influences people the wrong way.

Most of the things f not all of the things she advocates are either totally fiscally impossible or just can't be done.


She actively hurts Philadelphia's growth by targeting developers.


It's to a point where our local developers...who already jump through 30 hoops and have to deal with hundreds of bored rich "community groups"..

...have to print defenses to sold out buildings.

Buildings she glorifies...suck at being actual buildings.

She praised Skirkanich.

Lambasted the Convention Center for demoing historic structures.


Here's the rub...

SKirkanich Hall destroyed an AIA award winning "Philadelphia School" building.

The convention center demo'd a ruined facade.


WHat's Inga's take?
Convention Center = Scum
Penn = Brave Architects


and she promotes the river trail ...until it threatened her tomatoes... then she's against it.



Maybe somebody should teach her about budgets, bottom lines, and municipal upkeep of civic structures.
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For some reason, good design gets bitchslapped all the time while things like Symphony House get plastered on the Philly scene without as much fuss.
Huh?

You're kidding right? Everyone and their mother hates Pepto House. We all have different opinions of what good taste is. Everyone hates that damn building and is vocal about it.

Inga gets it right sometimes. Other times she is as wrong as finding health food at McDonalds. Anything that Erdy McHenry does she loves. IMHO, they have done some good, some bad. Inga loved Liberties Walk for f**ks sake. The crappiest development in Northern Liberties.
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