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Old 04-26-2008, 09:12 PM
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I'd love to see the city, Fairmount Park and the port authority take the money necessary to build a Calatrava bridge and instead spend it on long-overdue maintenance.

This is a place where an eternal flame flickered out after about a decade, where maintenance funds for bridges go to build a soccer stadium and workers had to put up barricades around broken steps on the Schuykill River trail less than a month after it opened.

We don't need a crumbling Calatrava on top of all that.
You got me there. I wouldn't want maintenance money get diverted toward building an artful bridge when bridges upstream or downstream are crumbling. However, maintenance of current infrastructure while building world-class new infrastructure needn't be mutually exclusive exercises.
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that is the difference between Philly and cities like Chicago,NYC and LA. they progress because the residents there are not bitchy about every fricking thing. They want progress and they show it by letting it happen.
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The opposition from NIMBY residents in Streeterville and scoffs from other parts of the city have mostly been quieted now that construction is well underway and proceeding swiftly.

The biggest obstacle to completing this building was zoning. The parcel of land selected was only zoned for as 540-foot tall building and a 350-foot tall building. However, the developer managed to assuage the city, neighborhood groups, and local open space activists by developing a riverfront plaza with six stories of parking underneath.
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November 7, 2007 - Crain's Chicago Business reports that neighboring townhomes will sink about two inches by the time the Spire is completed. The developer calls the damage cosmetic, but homeowners plan to sue.
So, the residents there ARE bitchy about every fricking thing, but they got something in return and kept quiet....till something goes wrong...
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You got me there. I wouldn't want maintenance money get diverted toward building an artful bridge when bridges upstream or downstream are crumbling. However, maintenance of current infrastructure while building world-class new infrastructure needn't be mutually exclusive exercises.
And seeing that parts of the Chicago L is crumbling, I don't see how they got money for art.


BTW, our EL is almost finish reconstruction of its infrastructure to last another 100 years....
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And seeing that parts of the Chicago L is crumbling, I don't see how they got money for art.


BTW, our EL is almost finish reconstruction of its infrastructure to last another 100 years....
I wasn't comparing that Chicago Phalus to anything for Philly. I was making a case for Philly to have something better for South St Bridge, and suggested Calatrava, based on seeing his other bridges, including the ones in Dallas. Having a lame car-centric bridge because it is cheap to build and thus leaving more money for maintenance shouldn't be how a world-class city thinks, that's all I'm saying.
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I mean, look at it. 2000 feet tall. No other buildings that size around it. Shadows everywhere. View lines blocked.

It is like Chicago is giving a big middle finger to everyone.

Not to mention such a waste of the waterfront!

Am I right? Anyone? ...
No, you are not right. You sound like a hippy protestor. I would rather have a skyscraper on the waterfront than abandoned warehouses and contaminated lots. You probably prefer Delaware ave.

The view lines are only blocked for a few while the majority of the people have a better view. The skyline can now be viewed from 20 miles away.
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No, you are not right. You sound like a hippy protestor. I would rather have a skyscraper on the waterfront than abandoned warehouses and contaminated lots. You probably prefer Delaware ave.

The view lines are only blocked for a few while the majority of the people have a better view. The skyline can now be viewed from 20 miles away.



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These things have a way of being accepted over time. I can still remember the horror that was expressed over the twin towers of the WTC when they were announced. (I lived there) Out of scale, shadows, banal, waste of money, ruin the skyline etc. etc. Now some people literely worship the ground they stood on. And what could be more ugly then the Eiffel Tower in Paris? I mean UGLY. People seem to love that too. While I agree (with those who think) that the Chicago Spire is an eyesore it will become an icon soon enough.
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Count me with Phillyaggie on this issue.

The South Street Bridge MUST be replaced -- it's not an issue of diverting funds that could be better spent on essential infrastructure to some plaything.

Given that, why not spend a little more and get something that would enhance the river and its surroundings instead of a tricked-out expressway bridge?

I mean, is it too much to even ask for something as relatively simple as this?



This is an overpass on the Merritt Parkway (1937-39) in southwestern Connecticut. The road is notable for its distinctive bridges, no two alike and all aesthetically pleasing. Where newer highways have been built across it, the bridges have not been fashioned with such care; instead, off-the-shelf standard ConnDOT designs have been used.
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Count me with Phillyaggie on this issue.

The South Street Bridge MUST be replaced -- it's not an issue of diverting funds that could be better spent on essential infrastructure to some plaything.

Given that, why not spend a little more and get something that would enhance the river and its surroundings instead of a tricked-out expressway bridge?

I mean, is it too much to even ask for something as relatively simple as this?

This is an overpass on the Merritt Parkway (1937-39) in southwestern Connecticut. The road is notable for its distinctive bridges, no two alike and all aesthetically pleasing. Where newer highways have been built across it, the bridges have not been fashioned with such care; instead, off-the-shelf standard ConnDOT designs have been used.
Given the constraints in time and budget, the community re-design of the bridge is not perfect, but pretty good. Now it needs the support of Mayor Nutter to incorporate the changes.

Inga article on South St. Bridge:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_...or_bridge.html

PDF of plan:
http://go.philly.com/bridgedesign
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While I agree (with those who think) that the Chicago Spire is an eyesore it will become an icon soon enough.
They need to get financing first.
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