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Swinefeld · #61 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ms_evelyng

I want to know why are you so gung-ho on casinos being the salvation to the economical and financial woes of Philadelphia. Have you actually researched to know that?
From what I've read it is not, from what researches have studied and found it is not....Is AC some kind of a great example to you? Or is it bc you like to playing cards, come one now

And I could turn the argument around and say you and your ilk don't like casinos not based on any real economic models but because you are simply opposed to gambling.

Come on now.

romano · #62 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swinefeld

And I could turn the argument around and say you and your ilk don't like casinos not based on any real economic models but because you are simply opposed to gambling.

Come on now.

Most "anti-casino" people aren't opposed to gambling, but to the locations and the process by which they were chosen. Just saying....

ms_evelyng · #63 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 01:18 PM

Your argument is invalid bc am NOT against gambling.

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Originally Posted by Swinefeld

And I could turn the argument around and say you and your ilk don't like casinos not based on any real economic models but because you are simply opposed to gambling.

Come on now.

3rd&Brown · #64 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by romano

Most "anti-casino" people aren't opposed to gambling, but to the locations and the process by which they were chosen.

which sounds reasonable until you realize their proposed solution limits the number of potential sites for casinos to exactly 2 spots in the city, neither of them being in a desireable area. hardly a compromise.

casinos are not a cure all. they are the tool that we will be able to use to cut our taxes much more swiftly than we would be able to otherwise, which will in turn, result in the tangible growth in quality jobs elsewhere in the city that so many of us are clamoring for.

the jobs at the casinos themselves, though, i believe will be a serious upgrade for many thousands of people in this city.

zur · #65 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by romano

I really don't get this argument. The infrastructure is already there to support 2 million residents. It may be aging, but it's still a whole lot cheaper than creating new infrastructure from scratch. So you either make use of what you have and maintain it or have massive abandonment, which you seem to be advocating. If you look at where things stand right now, we have about 25% of the population living at or below poverty. Those people require services that their tax money can't support. So you either raise taxes on the rest of the dwindling middle-class population (like what happened in the 70s) or you attract more new people (and jobs) to re-build the tax base and gradually lower taxes....i.e. hopefully our current path.

That surplus the city has been enjoying the last couple years was fueled primarily by the real estate transfer tax. That's new people right there. Once we start seeing the abatements expire, that'll be another revenue bump for the city. Another bonus (if you can call it that) is that many of the new residents aren't sending their kids to schools either because they're boomers, in their 20s or well off enough to send their kids to private schools.

I'm agreeing with you in a way.

Instead of trying to convert all the current "zoned" industrial areas to condos/housing (as we see all over the place now..Loft District, South Philly, and Penn Praxis)

We should be trying to reclaim all these older existing areas like Strawberry Mansion, North Philly, SW Philly..

We keep dividing and parceling idustrial areas..

and now we have Loft District residents bitching about truck idling etc...

So..

We can't fix Philly with just housing.

and the way we are placing housing...its stopping our long term ability to grow industry.

Also, we allowed housing where it would never be allowed now.

Yet we add it right next to industry still (because developers can get away with it)

zur · #66 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by romano

Most "anti-casino" people aren't opposed to gambling, but to the locations and the process by which they were chosen. Just saying....

I'm opposed to having a sewage treatment plant, 4 prisons, and an airport near me.

I demand they re-site them and review the process.