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Originally Posted by gray67
How far am I allowd to go to ensure that my right to quiet in my home is respected?
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I have a problem with cars and loud motorcycles driving up and down my streets. I will now set up roadblocks to ensure that that my right to quiet in my home is respected.
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Can I go next door to the renters throwing a wild party and threaten them with bodily harm if they don't turn down the music? More importantly, am I allowed to inflict such harm if they ignore me and turn the music up? What happens to me legally if I do that? If I can't do those things, then you are saying that drunks/partygoers have more rights than I do. If I CAN do those things, then I'm contributing to the overall decline of civic behavior. So I'm reduced to calling the police to have them enforce civil behavior, a scattershot effort at best.
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How often have you actually told people to quiet down and they turn the music up, and the the police call is a scattershot?
I think this is a cheap shot at both us residents and the 5th police district. My street has mostly been able to handle each others parties fine, and whenever there is an issue, the 5th have showed up and settled the issue tremendously. You lack faith in your fellow neighbors and our police force and I take offense to that.
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There are clear laws that define (a) the noise levels allowed by bars; (b) the noise levels allowed by house parties; and (c) the responsibilities of residents in maintaining a civic society. Because we have so many more serious problems in our city, enforcement of the laws we have on the books concerning things like noise and public behavior is put on a back burner, degrading quality of life for all. By bringing back something akin to Prohibition, you are escalating the relative importance of alcohol control laws (and thus by association the things relating to alcohol control, including noise violations associated with excessive alcohol consumption). That was my only point. Are there significant negatives with regards to outlawing alcohol? Of course, just as there is with outlawing of drugs, and Prohibition proved that. But the action of outlawing drugs means that drug violations are given a level of law enforcement attention that mere limitation/control/ordinance is not.
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So what do you suggest? Pulling the police out of other, more crime ridden districts to ENSURE your right to quiet in your home?
How about we pull the undercover narcotics teams off of gang survallance and have them set up sting operations to bag those horrible college kids that scream every now and again?
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A major difference between the city and the suburb is that the suburb is much less forgiving of violations of noise/zoning/quality of life whereas the city seems to just chalk it up to "city living". In my mind, that's a weak excuse for allowing civil society to degrade, whether in the cities or in the suburbs.
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I'm sorry, but looking at the history of manayunk and roxborough, I think this area's present residents are doing anything but "degrading society". The current residents seem to be a great improvement over the history of residents in this area when it comes to "quality of life"
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Why is it that everyone who tries to raise the quality of life in the city and makes negative comments about city living told to "move to the suburbs"? As city residents, why do we have to put up with a lower standard than the suburbs?
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When your suggestion for improving quality of life in the city is prohibition (And yes, suggesting getting rid of bars is akin to that), you will usually be told to "move to the suburbs" by people like me who moved AWAY from the suburbs for the very reason you suggested.
I have been to suburban bars with loud idiots too, but usually these morons get into a car after they are done drinking because the residents didn't want bars in their neighborhoods. I wanted to avoid these situations (When I lived in West Chester, the cabs stopped taking calls after 11), so I brought my education and tax money to Philadelphia were I could live near bars. I wish I could snap my fingers and everyone would behave fine, but unfortunately, reality exists.
You blatantly speak of how much you want us to be just like the suburbs for your own view of "quality of life" something I PAID to get away from. Those comments offend me as a resident that was attracted to this area. Yes, I can't stand the late night yellers and pissers, but they are still much better to me than the same "silent" night every night out in the suburbs. If you are looking for true "silence" then I mean this comment very seriously, look into the suburbs. That is not meant as offensive, that is meant as a true suggestion. People like me want peace and quiet in my house, but I loved walking down the bars last night and hanging out with Flyers fans. Later on, a few of those idiots were screaming. You just have to realize you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want true "peace and quiet", seriously look at the suburbs.