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Old 05-11-2008, 10:37 PM
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Real world? Another stupid debating trick ___ the mystic “real world wand“, used to attack another’s positions without having to provide specifics or any logical or intelligent refutation.
If you read what I wrote, instead of just attacking the words "real world", you'd see the refutation. I was opposing your legalistic conceptualization of the problem, preferring a more pragmatic approach, based on "real world" context. Legalistically, opposing prejudice and imposing prejudice could be equivalent, if you focus in the reductionistic idea of "treating people differently," but in practice they're vastly different.

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In addition, what I really indicated is the same thinking [not people] were behind Black Code Law as is behind the ordinance in question___ both the Black Code Laws and the ordinance in question are designed to give an advantage under law to an identifiable group intentionally contemplated when writing the legislation.
I wasn't quibbling about whether it's "thinking or people." Of course it's the thinking you were referring to! The black codes were passed over a hundred years ago!

But you do see the thinking as equivalent. You see opposing persecution as the same sort of thinking involved in being a persecutor. You focus on the reductionistic legalistic concept of "treating people differently" and ignore the vast practical differences in how and why they treated people differently, and what effect it has on society as a whole.

And even legalistically, they're not the same sort of thinking anyway. "Denying rights to a persecuted minority" is very different from "preventing the majority from persecuting a minority." The only similarity is that they both recognize that there are minorities and majorities.

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Now, how about an answer? Why are you soooooooooo afraid of minorities being free to exercise their inalienable rights, such as the right to mutually agree in their business contracts and associations?
I'm not "soooooooooo" afraid of that at all. I'm "soooooooooo" in favor of civil rights. And in practice, the right you're advocating for has been used extensively to deny blacks and other minorities their rights.

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