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Old 05-10-2008, 03:57 PM
john w k john w k is offline
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Nothing wrong with being an extremist. It's extremists who get stuff done. You know who were extremists? the people who founded our country, the people who stood up against slavery, the people who stood up for women's rights. Or, you could just sit on your ass and be content with the status quo.
I agree! And no extremist ought to have their inalienable rights subjugated unless in their exercise the inalienable rights of another are impinged upon.

As to our founding fathers, keep in mind their stated objective:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed ___ America’s Declaration of Independence

And how does our federal Constitution begin?

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, …. and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And what has the united States Supreme Court confirmed is within the meaning of “liberty”?

In Allgeyer v. Louisiana, 165 U.S. 578, 589 , we are reminded by the Court that:

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'The liberty mentioned in that Amendment [the Fourteenth] means not only the right of the citizen to be free from the mere physical restraint of his person, as by incarceration, but the term is deemed to embrace the right of the citizen to be free in the enjoyment of all his faculties; to be free to use them in all lawful ways; to live and work where he will; to earn his livelihood by any lawful calling; to pursue any livelihood or avocation, and for that purpose to enter into all contracts which may be proper, necessary, and essential to his carrying out to a successful conclusion the purposes above mentioned.'
And let us not forget what the united States SC stated in the Civil Rights Cases concerning the intention of the 14th Amendment, which is to secure “those fundamental rights which are the essence of civil freedom, namely, the same right to make and enforce contracts, to sue … to inherit, purchase … property as is enjoyed by white citizens. (Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.W. 3, 22 (1883).

The point is, people have an inalienable right to pursue a job. But obtaining a job also involves another inalienable right of mankind ___ the inalienable right for employer and employee to mutually agree in business contracts and associations ___ the exception being, that one may not exercise their inalienable rights in such a manner as may impinge upon another’s inalienable rights, and which our governments, state and federal, were instituted to secure.

I see nothing wrong in leaving people free ___ homosexuals, and homophobes; feminists and sexists; bigots and non bigot ___ to mutually agree in their business contracts and association, so long as they do not exercise this inalienable right in such a manner as to impinge upon another’s inalienable rights.


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