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And if you didn't exist we wouldn't be having this debate..and if the United States didn't exist NAFTA wouldn't be an issue etc. etc. This is silly straw man reasoning...Mexico, the U.S. ,NAFTA, you and I all exist last time I checked....
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no, I believe a straw man would be made up. the valid point being, OH is suffering from the same issues Philadelphia began to suffer in the 1930's from which it never recovered. Here's some pointers:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...401572_pf.html
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No it is not....
Thank you..you're own contradiction just confirmed the main premise of my argument that free trade is not free trade when subsidies exist.
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no, I think you're too intent on "proving me wrong" to agree to terms. free trade is free trade but when trade is not free, it's not free. we both agree there. there's no contradictions.
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The specific FTA between Mexico and the U.S. is a farce because of U.S. subsidies to agribusiness...
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It's really managed trade but it was labeled free trade.
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[this is what I talked about in my previous post detailing my experiences in Monterrey with my girlfriend...not armchair social history but from actually speaking to the people and seeing it for myself]
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You mentioned it and I don;t doubt there's problems but it does seem as though things have improved.
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After the 1994–1995 economic crisis, probably the most severe in the country's history, 50% of the population fell into poverty. A rapid growth in exports propitiated by NAFTA and other trade agreements, and the restructuring of the macroeconomic finances initiated during Zedillo's and continued during Fox's administration had significant results in the reduction of the poverty rate: according to the World Bank, poverty was reduced to 17.6% in 2004.[22] Most of this reduction was achieved in rural communities whose rate of poverty declined from 42% to 27.9% in the 2000–2004 period, although urban poverty stagnated at 12%.[22] According to the World Bank, in 2004, 17.6% of Mexico's population lived in extreme poverty, while 21% lived in moderated poverty.[23] The CIA Factbook, on the other hand, reported that 13.5% of the population was under the poverty line, as measured in food-based poverty.[24]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico
I'd be interested to see the impact of china on the mexican worker rather than just the US.
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The spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited. Ironically, one might argue that illegal migration is the only thing saving Mexico from the ravages of NAFTA.
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where do the parts come from?
not sure I ever said we shouldn't invest in Detroit or OH.